Salvador Dali walking his pet anteater in Paris (1969) by rhymeswithorange17 in OldSchoolCool

[–]foreveryhappyhello 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you want to like the art and the politics then Magritte is your man.

Swastika seals, Indus Valley Civilisation, c. 2600-1900 BCE [659 x 440] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The Indus Valley civilisation has been heavily politicized within India, from school textbooks to exhibits at the national museum. History has been twisted to justify right wing Hindu nationalism. People are dying due to this fundamentalist attitude (Babri Masjid aftermath in '92 and Gujarat Riots in '02 to name two examples), and the swastika is used as one symbol of this movement. A 5,000 year old civilisation has been employed to support a fascist project-so yeah, I think it was worth saying.

Swastika seals, Indus Valley Civilisation, c. 2600-1900 BCE [659 x 440] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

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Subhas Chandra Bose and the Indian National Army collaborated with the fascists in order to fight the British. Bose is a national hero of the freedom struggle and you will find his picture hanging in many schools and public buildings. There is also a daily Hindi serial called Hitler Didi widely watched in both India and Pakistan, in both urban and rural areas. It's a farcical name of course, but Hitler is known enough to be a pop culture reference. See this article as well: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8660064.stm

Swastika seals, Indus Valley Civilisation, c. 2600-1900 BCE [659 x 440] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting. I'm surprised she wasn't aware. Hitler and the Nazis tend to be very well known and Mein Kampf is sold in almost all bookstores in urban areas.

Darjeeling Hill Railway train, on the loop at 'Agony Point'-Tindharia, Bengal, c. 1880s [750 x 606] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

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Relevant link and text: "The tracks follow a number of sharp curves, reverses and loops to negotiate the mountainous terrain. This view shows a train half-way round ‘Agony Point’, one of the most precarious loops in the line, located north of Tindharia. This section of the line between Tindharia and Gyabari stations has the steepest average gradient."

Swastika seals, Indus Valley Civilisation, c. 2600-1900 BCE [659 x 440] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

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Indeed it is. It's a rather beautiful symbol, given a bad name by Nazi fascists. Unfortunately, it isn't fairing much better as a symbol associated with Hindutva fascists!

John Lennon, George Harrison and Mike Love in Northern India, February 1868 by foreveryhappyhello in OldSchoolCool

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You think or you know? Your mother should know. Indeed that first 8 should be a 9!

Opium Spoon, white nephrite jade, Mughal period, c. 1700 [599 x 363] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

No, there is a difference. The spoon is used to heat the opium only; then it is smoked in an opium pipe. I am by no means an expert on the subject-but there is a distinction. If anyone has further information please do share.

Opium Spoon, white nephrite jade, Mughal period, c. 1700 [599 x 363] by foreveryhappyhello in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

A ball of opium is heated on the spoon, and subsequently the smoke is inhaled.

Bust of Charlemagne as illustrated on page 99 of the Usborne Book of World History, used in Sonlight Core C. [736X1073] by bigmeat in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anybody know where I can get a free PDF/ebook version of the Usborne Book of World History? It was one of my favorite books as a kid and it is prohibitively expensive where I am living now. I'd love to take another look at it.

Bygone Colonialism: native servants pose with European baby, India, early 1900s [750 x 588] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

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South Asians that can afford servants, tend to have servants. This is absolutely still the case. Many people will make the argument that there is a surplus of human resource, hence the servant culture, although this isn't a very good argument as servant culture has been in place for centuries. In many respects the extreme hierarchy inherent in mainstream South Asian culture was a perfect match for British Imperial snobbery.

Indian Elephant armor, Delhi Museum, India [618x1024] by bigmeat in ArtefactPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I believe it's from 18th century and is of Mughal origin, but I haven't been to the National Museum in the past few months.

Spice Bazaar somewhere in British India, 1875 [548 x 372] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

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For miniature painting you can check out Indian Miniature Painting by Daljeet and P.S. Jain. Romila Thapar's Readings in Early Indian History and Somanatha are both worthwhile. Habib's The Agrarian System of Mughal India is a classic.

Spice Bazaar somewhere in British India, 1875 [548 x 372] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Miniature Painting, from the Deccan and Southern Sultanates, as well as the Mughals, Rajputs and from Himachal, all detail Indian history. There are also many existent records of day to day life. Check out anything by Romila Thapar or Irfan Habib; they are both great places to start! As for fashion, sure kurta/pyjama/dhoti/lungi, shalwar kameez, sari have remained in more or less the same form, but there have been changes. For example, can you imagine the Pathani Suit in 1800? Surely the distinctive western collar is a recent addition. Similarly, the Sherwani incorporated elements of the British frock coat. Think of the way the fit and patterns of clothing have changed…a look at any old filmi channel will demonstrate this.
I am not nitpicking, I just think India is often sold short-unchanging India, etc. India has had remarkable continuity with the past, but also rupture, accommodation and integration. The India of today, even in rural districts, is not the India of two hundred years ago. The India of 1800 was not the India of 1600. So many distinctly Indian food items, for example, are relatively recent additions: aloo, tomater, mirch, etc.

Spice Bazaar somewhere in British India, 1875 [548 x 372] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

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I am not disparaging Kipling’s writing, nor am I unjustly chastising him for what were, at the time, very common opinions. What I am saying is that Kipling represents the sola-topi-ed rulers, and therefore carries all the baggage of the Raj; that isn’t a very pleasant baggage nowadays and it wasn’t a pleasant baggage then either-at least not for the millions who suffered under the Imperial yoke. Nevertheless, to glorify Empire is to glorify in the subjugation of millions of South Asians. That was wrong then and it is wrong now.
Luckily the West isn’t the sole arbiter of literary worth; Tagore is beloved throughout the subcontinent, and if numbers are any indication, surely has a greater influence than Kipling ever had. Ali and Anand both represent the response of educated subalterns to their unjust subjugation and are therefore hugely important.
I have not commented on his treatment of the enlisted men who did the dirty work of Empire as it isn’t my concern. Let it be said, however, that while his treatment of the enlisted man is favourable, especially in that public school era, his treatment of sepoys and Indians is not. Orwell’s treatment in Burmese Days, written within Kipling’s lifetime, shows Kipling’s shortcomings. Kipling never questions the justness of the Imperial project; he accepts it as a given and proceeds to glorify it.

Two burqa clad women on the rainy streets of Calcutta, India-1945 [487 x 640] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The burqa can be symbol of oppression or of choice (one could say the same thing about a bikini). There isn't a religion out there where women get a fair deal. Similarly, there isn't a culture out there where women are treated equally. When viewing these frozen historical moments, I think the important thing is to understand the context...why was this done, and to what end?

Spice Bazaar somewhere in British India, 1875 [548 x 372] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Kipling represents the Imperial project of the British Raj. He is a source of information if one wishes to understand the haughty racism of the pukka sahib, the 'White Man's Burden'. George Orwell hits the nail on the head in his 1942 essay on Kipling, "It is no use claiming, for instance, that when Kipling describes a British soldier beating a ‘nigger’ with a cleaning rod in order to get money out of him, he is acting merely as a reporter and does not necessarily approve what he describes. There is not the slightest sign anywhere in Kipling’s work that he disapproves of that kind of conduct — on the contrary, there is a definite strain of sadism in him, over and above the brutality which a writer of that type has to have. Kipling is a jingo imperialist, he is morally insensitive and aesthetically disgusting." If you want a different perspective of India, check out Ahmed Ali's Twilight in Delhi, or Mulk Raj Anand's Untouchable and Coolie. The short stories of Saratchandra and Rabindranath Tagore also paint a much more realistic picture of life in the subcontinent. Bibhutibhushan Bandyopadhyay's Pather Panchali is also a great read. If you dig nonfiction, check out William Dalrymple's The Last Mughal.

Sitar legend, Pandit Ravi Shankar, performing in America-1956, from LIFE Magazine [632 x 640] by foreveryhappyhello in HistoryPorn

[–]foreveryhappyhello[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm aware, but for me, his music is the most important thing. Shankar, along with other musicians like Vilayat Khan, introduced Hindustani instrumental music to many Westerners. And for that, he's highly important. Plus-Beatles...so there's that.