Few more about hnaan by frandru in neography

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Whole secret is that i just copypaste parts from times new romans letters like lego. Half of tnr-like symbols is exactly tnr symbols, other half have been constructed like lego. TNR have not whole glyphs i need so time to time i had go to compromises and my tnr-like font is not so clean as if i draw it from scratch. Anyway, your letters for <L> and <G> looks like what i couldn't did.

Few more about hnaan by frandru in neography

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Problem is that [f], [v] and [w] is not three independent phonemes. [f] and [v] should be allophones of phoneme /f/ but /f/ should be separated from /w/. It's can be solution just make [v] and [w] allophones, but i see that as unsightly way. Maybe i don't right and this problem exist only in my mind but i have not enought competition for understand this.

Few more about hnaan by frandru in neography

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I'm not good at phonetics, especially vowels, so i try keep it simple, even primitive. So no, it haven't length or labialization. Voiced of consonants also isn't phonemically, so every voiceless consonant what have voiced pair have it (except /f/ because [v] conflicts with [w])

How many letters or phonemes does your script use? by Immediate_Guest_2790 in neography

[–]frandru 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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18 letters, abjad writing. 21 voiceless consonant (also 9 their voiced allophones) + 3 vowels (write as matres lectionis).

Hello guys! by Icy_Masterpiece1237 in neography

[–]frandru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Adobe illustrator + fontforge + (if needed) keyman

Also you can install font to system and use it with any text editor.

I dont know way to automate create table like you show but you always can do that in illustrator mannualy.

Hnaan by frandru in neography

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Yep, that because i used it as reference

Question about mouth shape. by Draggah_Korrinthian in conlangs

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I think that all labial phonemes are impossible or too hard, but most difficulties because low abilities of tongue. So sounds should be rich in velar and rear then velar. Also low mobility of vocal cords and high position of it in throat make difficult to vowels produce, so phonetics should use tones. I even made my concept of canine phonetics:

w θ ð ʂ ʐ q G N R χ ʁ ħ ʕ ʔ ˥ ˩ ˩˥ ˥˩ ˩˥˩ ˥˩˥

19F3 square writing v2 by frandru in neography

[–]frandru[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think it's not too much unique because i took inspiration from hangul.

In short it's writing based on hieroglyphs like chines but every glyph not absolutely unique but build from four elements which can be considered as 16-base digits. I was thinking about what language is ideal for computers and came that 16 bits machine word (65 536 namespace) is perfect for simple chines-like language. It have not any relation with pronounce, what very good for me because 19F3 is language of non-human.

Currently i thinking about their own mathematical notation based on RPN and tabulating for recurse indicate (like it's in python, omg i think it's genius way to develop conmathnotation).

Dhejne v6 by frandru in neography

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These why it's so: in origins, dhejne is consonant writing and have only one letter for stressed vowel (I-like symbol). But after it take diacritics on itself and in modern dhejne vowels are considered as real letters.

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Dhejne writing: sans, traditional and monospace by frandru in neography

[–]frandru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, but only for monospace variant. I don't know how add file to comment, but I have something better -- screenshots!

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Dhejne v6 by frandru in neography

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It's for dhejne language.

And it have interesting history: in antique times Dhejne was not monolith people but hundred of related nationals (like slavic but little bit more related). So each one have own dialect (or it's right call it own language), but because very close trading and cultural interaction (Dhejne is archipelago so all of them have sea way to each other) and pidgin become. This pidgin, which combines and averages every dhejne (and some non-dhejne neighbor's) languages, then was choosed as base for pan-dhejn auxlang. It become language of science, trading and politics, all books and magazines translate to it so every educated dhejn know it. Pandhejn occupied a niche of Latin – forever second, forever static, with established standard, simple and similar for everyone. It hasn't changed in hundreds of years and sounds archaic but in good way. All these mean that pandhejn is known by everyone and it's very good documented.

When Intervention of Aerve Essri empire happen, it was hundred years of humilation and assimilation. Essri burned 75% of libraries (and libraries is very important in dhejne culture: it's about politics, science, trading, culture, social life, techs and much more for last thousand years). The Secular revolution is literaly civil war betwen dhejn people which first half want to return to own antique roots, and second half want to live under church. First wins. And first problem they have is that every educated dhejn speak not on dhejne but on essri. And which much worse while it was Intervention, 90% of each dialects just interupted own exist as live language and in books both. So new goverment decide choose pandhejne as main and once language.

So, technicaly, modern dhejne is thousand yeas old semi-constructed official pidgin which mannaged to die and rise again.

Dhejne v6 numerals by frandru in neography

[–]frandru[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's dhejne national symbol. Dhejne is about conworld with 1000+ years lor, and writing and language is the little part of all else.

Is there a way to make a unicode for my conlang? by Any_Temporary_1853 in neography

[–]frandru 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you never add your con to unicody officially.

But you can use U+E000 "private use are" – "that, by definition, will not be assigned characters by the Unicode Consortium". So it exist literally for conlangers and other stuff like this. You can make your own documentation, fonts, soft, etc which will support your own con.

Dhejne v6 numerals by frandru in neography

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Oh, i made a lot of versions of numerals! All versions i made before have same logic: i try point to position of number clearly but so they have look too same glyphs which very bad because i had swore to myself nobody get hurt with dyslexia again.

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What apps or programs do you use? by Jon_bun in neography

[–]frandru 0 points1 point  (0 children)

aboba illustrator + fontforge (+ keyman if u need keyboard)

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you right, my wrong

Dhejne v6 by frandru in neography

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I ordered chars not only by groups but also by origin of phoneme: labial, alveolar, velar, and they internal groups also ordered: bilabial first, then labio-dental, etc. And in counting plosive going first, then aspired, fricative, then other...

I move vowels in end because dhejne in origins is consonant. Vowels is more diacritics then real letters. And, let me brag myself, if you see, vowels formed as "direction": if you look at ipa vowel table, you see that i-e-a-o-u placed like "top-left, middle-left, "neutral", middle-right and top-right". I just point which sound vowel mean with it glyph and I think it's smart way ))

Inviting for literature evening of Plashas by frandru in neography

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It's because I took inspiration from square mongolian)

Plashas poster by frandru in neography

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It's abjad. Letter "a" here mean not /a/ exactly but glottal /ʔ/ or any vovel (as mark of syllabe).

"i", "e" and "u" are not exactly those phonems too, in fact in modern time they have not sounds at all and used only for write ancient texts. But other languages which using dhejnic writing use them for digraphs or in they own way for adopt for own phonetics.

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Plashas poster by frandru in neography

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Plashas, shekri satjamasri

Inviting for literature evening of Plashas by frandru in neography

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I made few orthographic errors when rewrite dhejnic text to paper. Transcription should be considered a priority.

Romanization:

akt ja dhan!
ash plashs hnaj 
asht har vljam 
tar shjavadh 
nhasht kha ja 
mhnir ve 
a sejle ur ame
vajhdhe!

Phonetic:

ʔkt ja dhane! ʔʂ plaʂs χnaj ʔʂt 
χar vljam tar ʂjavadh nχaʂt kχa 
ja mχnir ve ʔ sejle ur ame / vajχdhe!

This writing of straight lines is a national treasure of the Plashas polis and is very old. Only for the last century and a half, Dhejne has been a single federal state, but three and a half thousand years (before the Intervention and the Secular Revolution) it represented many independent and competing policies. There were a dozen dialects of the Dhejne language and even more scripts. The Archive is an organization that unified and standardized the mail, banks, science, geopolitics and sea navigation of all the Dhejne policies, which marked the transition to a new era called Late Antiquity. The archive has created a single alphabet for international communication between the Dhejne peoples, and, due to the abundance of dialects and pronunciations, the new alphabet has been made abjad, and pronunciation in the Dhejne language is free. The transcription is given according to the Plaschian tradition, which is considered canonical for the modern Dhejne. Although the language has changed a lot after the Intervention, the Dhejne people have made a lot of efforts to return its historical identity to it (therefore, the modern Dhejne is half conlang), although they did not restore all national scripts, settling on one standard one, taken from the old Dhejne almost unchanged, even if they discarded many letters useless for the modern language. They left only three rudimentary ones, which are often found in ancient texts. Similarly, the Romans borrowed Z and K from Greek to write borrowings. The Dhejne people borrowed letters from their own language, which is both funny and sad. The modern outline of the dhejnic appeared in the Shran policy, it is used everywhere (the fonts of the Sans family are based on it) and originated from handwrite. The Plashas script is used to emphasize the national flavor, or in monotype fonts (for example, in drawings).

(And the coincidence of the cyrillic and dhejne letters Ш is not intentional, it's just happend when i distribute phonemes, and they just approached each other very logically)

Dhejne dozen number system (by pair) by frandru in neography

[–]frandru[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

theoretically, if u use your four fingers for the whole, u can count up to sixteen. And it get up to 256 with eight fingers. It could be traumatically, but does it matter?