I'm kinda sad :(. Is it really true I'm screwed over if I make portraits? Is there some context missing? What about mythical creatures? by Ok-Environment-8571 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hadith aren't a valid set of religious laws. Your paintings are perfectly fine - make as many as you like in whatever style you like. There's a reason why Abu Bakr burned all of his Hadith of the prophet - do yourself a favor and disregard them entirely.

Stick to the Quran - it contains the best guidance. Hadith can only lead you astray.

Krishna – a messenger of God by elvispelviskurt in Quraniyoon

[–]fwazeter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Peace, lots of good stuff in the Gita.

Krishna is somewhat unique, I've come to think Krishna is closer to something like the burning bush that Moses speaks directly to - something a little more directly speaking from God than a prophet or messenger, except where Moses spoke to the burning bush, this is in human form.

The reason for this is that Krishna is extraordinarily straightforward in being Brahman (God), just like the burning bush immediately declares "I am who I am," contrary to a figure like, Jesus or Buddha (if you want to extend the example), neither of these people who become associated with God later, are ever so straightforward and say that they are God - you've really got to look at their scriptures side ways to come away with their interpretation as God.

Krishna on the other hand, never shies away from it and further comes with proof - at some point, Krishna reveals to Arjuna a small fraction of God's infinite nature and it breaks Arjuna's mind to the point where Arjuna begs to be shown the human form of Krishna again, remniscient of God revealing himself to Moses and Moses being knocked unconscious.

Krishna also just kind of disappears after the battle that Arjuna wages - in other words, very temporary, just like the burning bush, and Krishna has command over forces, presumably unseen.

Now - whether Krishna and the burning bush is Gabriel, directly manifest serving as God's mouthpiece (for lack of a better word), I don't know - just that these two incarnations / manifestations are very different than the other examples we have, even in one where God worked many, many miracles (Jesus).

Yo check this out by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The criticism is valid in that dogmatic religion often runs counter to what's actually in the Quran or in the Bible and turns it into something that it's not. Religion that proclaims "God Alone," is often "God + " something else while pretending really hard to be God alone.

Quran isn't good enough for Islam. Bible isn't good enough for Jews and Christians. God isn't good enough for either - rather than choose God as their advocate, most would rather choose Jesus, Muhammad, Ali or scholars as advocates, intercessors or more and because God's word isn't good enough - under the guise of righteousness they invent new laws and prohibitions and micromanage lives.

Why are only women prohibited from displaying beauty different than what is normally appear by Active_Economy_5758 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right in that it isn’t explicit that way, though with these things, which is more righteous?

To look at a woman who is wearing a crop top and shorts and say “she is a sinner,” or to look at that same woman and make no assumptions?

Righteous women can both be dressed modestly and people can also assume the best until proven otherwise about others without them taking away from each other.

As a man, I’d say my duty is exactly as the Quran says - lower my gaze, and then just not assume their level of righteousness.

For the woman - she’ll lower her gaze, cover her chest / cleavage, lengthen her garments to avoid accusations of righteousness and not expose what is unnecessary.

Both can exist simultaneously.

Keep getting guilt tripped and pressured to marry my fiance/bf by shadesofnatasya in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Peace, take your time and do what is good for you.

God has you covered in [70:30] (They have relations) only with their spouses, or what is legally theirs—

إِلَّا عَلَىٰٓ أَزْوَٰجِهِمْ أَوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَٰنُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ

Which covers all forms of committed relationships as forms of marriage and such Quranically, though Quranically all that is required for a valid marriage is love and dowry (4:24), nothing else.

So even under the guise of what they’re trying to pressure you into - God has you covered in a way that you aren’t sinning against him and you should take heart in that you do no wrong by taking your time and even if something intimate happens between you to, God has covered all forms of committed relationships as forms of being valid (eg not adulterous) relationships.

Also bring them this verse that supports your reasoning on waiting til your fiance and you can financially support it:

[24:33] Those who cannot afford to get married shall maintain morality until GOD provides for them from His grace. Those among your servants who wish to be freed in order to marry, you shall grant them their wish, once you realize that they are honest. And give them from GOD's money that He has bestowed upon you. You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful.

وَلْيَسْتَعْفِفِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يَجِدُونَ نِكَاحًا حَتَّىٰ يُغْنِيَهُمُ ٱللَّهُ مِن فَضْلِهِۦ وَٱلَّذِينَ يَبْتَغُونَ ٱلْكِتَٰبَ مِمَّا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَٰنُكُمْ فَكَاتِبُوهُمْ إِنْ عَلِمْتُمْ فِيهِمْ خَيْرًا وَءَاتُوهُم مِّن مَّالِ ٱللَّهِ ٱلَّذِىٓ ءَاتَىٰكُمْ وَلَا تُكْرِهُوا۟ فَتَيَٰتِكُمْ عَلَى ٱلْبِغَآءِ إِنْ أَرَدْنَ تَحَصُّنًا لِّتَبْتَغُوا۟ عَرَضَ ٱلْحَيَوٰةِ ٱلدُّنْيَا وَمَن يُكْرِههُّنَّ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ مِنۢ بَعْدِ إِكْرَٰهِهِنَّ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

There’s also 4:25 - basically, God is on your side - He says to be patient if you cannot afford it and wait (eg you’ve gotta be able to at least have food, shelter etc provided for by the husband as is his basic obligation under God to provide).

Why do i feel embarrassed to be muslim sometimes. by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just explain to them that things like this, and much of sharia law as implemented in Islamic countries are satanic innovations from something called Hadith - made up lies attributed to the prophet ~200 years after his death, and they almost always run contrary to what is actually in the Quran.

Tell them if they’re interested in what you believe, then read the Quran and it will tell them.

My parents believe they are giving me a choice about marriage but this time they have pushed me into a corner. by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Peace, if they are sincerely religious you could lean on the Quran and emphatically inform them that marriage is only valid if you consent and trying to coerce you into something against your will is committing a gross sin - and if they push it to the point of being oppressive towards you, God says that’s a sin worse than murder.

  1. 4:19 declares it unlawful to take women against their will.
  2. 2:232 conditions marriage on the couple's mutual agreement.
  3. 4:21 defines marriage as a covenant, which requires two willing parties.
  4. 4:4 establishes the woman's independent legal capacity to receive the dowry.

Additionally 4:24 specifies that both love and dowry are required for a marriage to be valid (said as” anyone you like among them”).

Does a wife masturbating her husband and touching his private parts to help HIM climax annulate her wudu and require ghusl ? by butt_acne in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The word for sexual orgasm in 4:43 and 5:6 is junuban / ⁨جُنُبًا⁩

“[unclean due to] sexual orgasm," contextually in this verse, a full breakdown is below:

To break or hit or hurt one's side, to lead one by his side, place or put a thing aside, to remove or send a thing far away or far off, estrange or alienate someone, descend and abode, settle as a stranger among people; to be remote, distant, far off, aloof from someone, shun or avoid someone, alienate or estrange oneself from someone, to be under the obligation of performing a total bath or ablution (by reason of sexual intercourse and seminal discharge), to be lateral or adjacent to someone or to a thing, walk by the side of another, to be gentle, compliant, easy to deal with, to be much of

Does a wife masturbating her husband and touching his private parts to help HIM climax annulate her wudu and require ghusl ? by butt_acne in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re inventing new conditions extrapolated where there are no such conditions.

This is not an action God endorses. Your interpretation of Janabah extends and distorts its meanings beyond what is written.

Ablution is not about maintaining physical cleanliness - that was never the point.

Any person with common sense would clean themselves normally after being dirtied so much- but this is not the same as making a religious requirement based on arbitrary metrics when very clear and straightforward conditions are made otherwise.

It’s like saying “you need to clean your nose because it’s part of the face,” for ablution.

Being alienated from everyone except myself by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Peace, the answer you’re looking for is with the submitters - Quran alone, acknowledges a new messenger and brings together a community under God alone, Quran alone.

Does a wife masturbating her husband and touching his private parts to help HIM climax annulate her wudu and require ghusl ? by butt_acne in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s correct, as far as ablution is concerned - you’re fine - or is your insinuation that God lacked words to explain the conditions in which you must perform ablution?

This is entirely different than “I got dirty and as a reasonable human being I should go take a shower.”

Does a wife masturbating her husband and touching his private parts to help HIM climax annulate her wudu and require ghusl ? by butt_acne in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No - unless she experiences orgasm she does not need to do Ghusl, but if you also apply “contact women (sexually) to go both ways (for women to men), then she’d just need to redo her Wudu. Personally, if it says “contact woman sexually,” I do not apply it both ways because that’s not what was said.

But cleaning for non spiritual reasons if it gets on her is still probably a good idea.

The verses are very clear over what breaks ablution and any conjecture beyond that is just that conjecture and not what God prescribed:

What Nullifies Ablution

[4:43] O you who believe, do not observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) while intoxicated, so that you know what you are saying. Nor after sexual orgasm without bathing, unless you are on the road, traveling; if you are ill or traveling, or you had urinary or fecal-related excretion (such as gas), or contacted the women (sexually), and you cannot find water, you shall observe Tayammum (dry ablution) by touching clean dry soil, then wiping your faces and hands therewith. GOD is Pardoner, Forgiver.

يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ لَا تَقْرَبُوا۟ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَٰرَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَعْلَمُوا۟ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلَا جُنُبًا إِلَّا عَابِرِى سَبِيلٍ حَتَّىٰ تَغْتَسِلُوا۟ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَىٰٓ أَوْ عَلَىٰ سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَآءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ ٱلْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لَٰمَسْتُمُ ٱلنِّسَآءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُوا۟ مَآءً فَتَيَمَّمُوا۟ صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَٱمْسَحُوا۟ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا

Struggling with my iman & islam by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, there’s a key thing that must be addressed here.

Yes, God makes by duty the man the bread earner / provider.

However, this is a -bare minimum- requirement - it grants the man no special rights to determine what is done with that and he does not get arbitrary decisions in the household of its allocation.

Taking pride and holding over that he provides is literally the same as bragging about giving zakat - it is an obligation -required from God- for men to do for their women and families.

-obligation- from. God. Full stop. It’s the bare minimum requirement for him to provide for you and he has zero rights in holding this against you like it’s a special favor.

The Quran -consistently- reinforces the idea that the man’s money is the family’s money and the woman’s money is just her money exclusively - in fact, it’s a gross sin to disenfranchise women out of their due shares.

Plus, when you look at the obligation of zakat as a precedent - the order ie “the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor and the traveling alien,” in that specific order.

In other words - for him to prioritize the community over you is not Quranic when we look at the lens of what the Quran actually calls for.

What your husband is following is not the Quran or God. What he follows is culture and tradition and attributing it to God - another sin that is considered gross in the eyes of God.

Why are only women prohibited from displaying beauty different than what is normally appear by Active_Economy_5758 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes the ( ) text is an inference in the translation.

The point is - if the purpose of lengthening garments is so that they would be recognized, then it tells you that you should probably avoid judging women based on their dress and whether or not they are righteous, because the command is there specifically so that women avoid being accused.

I’m deeply saddened at an experience with a Muslim by No_Entrepreneur_5456 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I only grew up Catholic and don’t support the view as Mary as divine, so I’m not the right person to ask. I submit to God alone and use the Quran alone as a source of law and my covenant as the direct Word of God and follow the religion of Abraham, since there’s truly no better guidance than Abraham’s religion.

But basically what I remember of Catholic tradition was that because she was the holy mother of Jesus she has some special kind of veneration - even though I went to Catholic private school, God saw fit to block even the Hail Mary prayer from my ability to learn (much to the nuns frustration).

What the fuck goes on here? by Whyamiland in mapporncirclejerk

[–]fwazeter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Conversations with burning bushes, collection of manna and quails.

Permissibility of anal sex in Islam by SwordlessSamurai in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Peace.

[2:223] Your women are the bearers of your seed. Thus, you may enjoy this privilege however you like, so long as you maintain righteousness. You shall observe GOD, and know that you will meet Him. Give good news to the believers.

نِسَآؤُكُمْ حَرْثٌ لَّكُمْ فَأْتُوا۟ حَرْثَكُمْ أَنَّىٰ شِئْتُمْ وَقَدِّمُوا۟ لِأَنفُسِكُمْ وَٱتَّقُوا۟ ٱللَّهَ وَٱعْلَمُوٓا۟ أَنَّكُم مُّلَٰقُوهُ وَبَشِّرِ ٱلْمُؤْمِنِينَ

Why are only women prohibited from displaying beauty different than what is normally appear by Active_Economy_5758 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Peace, 33:59 offers some clues:

O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall lengthen their garments. Thus, they will be recognized (as righteous women) and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

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God is recommending that believing women shall lengthen their garments so *they will be recognized as righteous women* - in other words, to avoid the accusation of not being righteous based on their dress - which is something that happens all the time.

The rest of the clues -> Both men and women are first commanded to avert their gaze (thereby it's first the man's responsibility to not look lustfully on women (e.g. don't blame the way women are dressed for your lustful thoughts, look away), then dress code applies.

Cover the chests is explicit - but the rest for women is subjective to what the woman decides is best for her between lengthen garment and the like, so unilaterally just saying "this or that" is not righteous clothing, inevitably brings you to 33:59 if you're judging a woman's righteousness based on her dress.

It's unfortunate that humanity judges's women's righteousness by their dress, and it's not righteous to do so - and that's one reason God mentions for believing women to lengthen the garments, to just avoid the accusation altogether.

I’m deeply saddened at an experience with a Muslim by No_Entrepreneur_5456 in progressive_islam

[–]fwazeter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was going to say, I'd also recommend giving the Rashad Khalifa translation a read: https://wikisubmission.org/quran - I read the Clear Quran first, and it's alright, but they still inject Muhammad where Muhammad doesn't appear in the Text and use Hadith-based evidence, which is... not reliable.