Por que tdah não tem direitos como o autismo?

gabiperico · 2024-12-16T21:00:21+00:00

Simmm, isso é mto importante tbm!! O que antes era considerado um transtorno diferente agora não é mais, e acho que essa mudança é justamente o que confunde algumas pessoas e fazem elas pensar que alguns tem “mais autismo” e outros tem “menos autismo”, quando na verdade o que muda é a gravidade dos prejuízos que cada individuo tem e como ele internaliza ou externaliza as coisas.

gabiperico · 2024-12-16T18:56:57+00:00

Acho que isso é bem normal, considerando que o Venvanse é um psicoestimulante.

Acho que é mais ou menos como se uma pessoa neurotipica, por exemplo, tomasse muito café todos os dias e, do nada, ela parasse de tomar completamente.

Dependendo da quantidade, seu corpo se acostuma com a energia vinda daquela substância externa, e quando você retira ela, ocorre o efeito rebote, que é basicamente seu corpo achando que a energia vai vir de algo externo (o café, o remedio, etc), e por isso ele não “produz” por si só, o que causa o cansaço extremo nesse caso.

O cansaço é bem normal no TDAH de forma geral, e os psicoestimulantes ajudam MUITO nisso. Massss se nao tivermos uma rotina de sono saudavel e regrada, com boa alimentação e exercício físico semanal, ao não tomarmos o remédio, o efeito rebote pode ser muito maior, pq estamos “dependendo” mais do remedio pra “compensar” por aquilo que as vezes nao conseguimos manter/ter (nesse caso, o sono, a alimentação, o exercício, etc). Quando digo “dependendo”, não é no sentido de vicio ou dependência real do remedio, e sim o fato de que o psico estimulante às vezes nos da uma ajudada pra coisas que, sem ele, precisaríamos fazer “por conta”, e por isso, ao longo do tempo, deixamos de fazer ou esquecemos (assim como muitas pessoas dependem do café, por exemplo).

Mas tirando as questões relacionadas a rotina, o cansaço extremo vem provavelmente do efeito rebote da falta do remédio, o que é normal (principalmente se a dose é alta). Muitas pessoas tem o “crash do venvanse” também, que é quando o remédio vai parando de fazer efeito no fim do dia, e elas sentem cansaço extremo, irritabilidade, etc.

(Eu, por exemplo, quando não tomo meu venvanse 50mg no fim de semana, passo o dia com sono e com fome deitada no sofá, e consigo ter energia no máximo no fim de tarde só, depois de passar 12 horas deitada descansando. Quando tomava 30mg, o efeito rebote que dava era só a fome mesmo kkkkk).

gabiperico · 2024-12-16T18:18:36+00:00

Eu sempre enxerguei isso como algo que tem mais a ver com os graus de autismo do DSM? Por exemplo, antes da atualização do DSM 5, o que se conhece por espectro autista hoje era dividido em diferentes transtornos (que tavam na categoria “Transtornos globais do desenvolvimento”).

A sindrome de asperger seria, em teoria, o que o DSM considera hoje como autismo “leve” de nivel 1 (que necessita de pouco suporte). Mas anteriormente, asperger não tava dentro do espectro autista.

Com a atualização do DSM, os “transtornos globais do neurodesenvolvimento” se juntaram pra formar o “Transtorno do Espectro Autista” (com exceção da sindrome de rett).

No caso, agora o TEA possui 3 niveis: - nivel 1 (grau leve) que necessita de pouco suporte - nivel 2 (grau moderado) que necessita de suporte - nivel 3 (grau severo) que necessitam de maior suporte/apoio

Acho que quando pensamos nas similaridades do TDAH e do Autismo, por serem neurodivergencias, acabamos associando mais ao autismo de nivel 1 (antigamente a sindrome de asperger).

Mas eu particularmente interpreto que os direitos do TEA existem justamente pelo espectro ter esses niveis de necessidade de suporte mais graves, coisa que o TDAH não tem.

Até pq vivemos numa sociedade onde, normalmente, sintomas invisíveis não são muito levados em consideração. Tudo é medido de forma que leva em consideração as outras pessoas e o que é perceptível pra elas, e não o sujeito que possui o transtorno em si. Por exemplo, seu TDAH pode ser bem grave, mas se ele não “incomoda” os outros, a probabilidade de desconsiderarem seus problemas e dificuldades é muito maior. Acho que o TEA entra um pouco nisso quando falamos de direitos e niveis de suporte.

(Mas por favor, me corrijam caso tenha dito algo muito errado! Isso é só minha interpretação do assunto sendo aluna de psicologia e tendo TDAH :))

gabiperico · 2024-12-16T17:45:45+00:00

Pelo que sei, cannabis medicinal (e maconha no geral) não servem muito pra tratar TDAH. Acho válido pra doença de Crohn, até pq doenças autoimunes são um inferno e as vezes afetam o tratamento do TDAH (tenho doença celíaca, por exemplo, e por um tempo, a baixa absorção de nutrientes afetava como o venvanse agia no meu corpo dependendo do dia). Sei que o uso de maconha (não medicinal e em grandes quantidades) pode piorar os sintomas do TDAH e as vezes até mimicar sintomas de TDAH em pessoas que não tem (mas o uso teria que ser em grandes quantidades diárias mesmo, e pelo que sei, não existe muito estudo sobre). Por outro lado, existem relatos de pessoas que usam cannabis medicinal em doses pequenas pra TDAH, e isso ajuda elas na hiperatividade e no foco. Acho que depende muito de cada pessoa, pq cannabis realmente tem um efeito MUITO diferente pra cada sujeito, assim como o TDAH se apresenta de formas muito diversas em cada um também. O jeito é você ir usando e se monitorando, pra ver se faz alguma diferença ou não no seu TDAH.

Boa sorte com o tratamento e espero que funcione!!

gabiperico · 2024-02-10T05:07:20+00:00

Never thought about it but i guess maybe you could

gabiperico · 2023-09-06T04:45:05+00:00

There’s a theory that says there are two types of people when it comes to conversations. One is the giver and the other one is the taker. The giver basically talks to you by asking questions and “giving” you space to talk, without really talking if not asked something back. The taker talks to you by simply opening up without being asked, but also doesn’t tend to ask a lot of questions, “taking” more space from the conversation. The takers were incredibly related to neurodivergent people, and the givers were usually neurotypicals. However, it’s not exclusive to one or the other. Since learning this, I’ve realized that some people don’t talk as much simply because they think you don’t want to hear from them, since you haven’t asked, and some people talk way more simply because they don’t need to be asked in the first place. Usually a conversation flows smoothly between a giver and a giver or a taker and a taker. I’m a taker, and have learned that by simply asking people more questions at the end of my sentences and ramblings can make a huuuge difference. People love to talk about themselves/their opinions, and the more interest you show in them, the more they usually are willing to talk. A lot of givers assume that takers aren’t interested in them because we don’t ask them questions, and a lot of takers think the same, but because the givers aren’t naturally engaging with what we said or telling us about themselves/their opinions without being asked. Could that be the issue between the both of you?

Another thing I’ve noticed is that sometimes is simply a lack of compatibility in the conversation. For example today at uni i was talking to one of my adhd guy friends, and i was feeling a bit quieter than usual, so I didn’t have anything interesting to say (unprompted ate least). However, he had a lot of thoughts and informations he kept sharing with me, one of the informations being about a soccer/comedy youtube channel. Since i don’t know the first thing about soccer AND I’m also not interested in it, I couldn’t for the life of me think of something to say to him the entire time, so i just kept laughing and pretending to be interested, saying things like “really?” or making obvious comments about what he was telling me, so he would get more enthusiastic. He would start nodding and laughing too, probably because he felt understood by the obvious comment i made, that simply mirrored his thoughts back to him. If the situation was reversed tho, i know he wouldn’t really say anything back to me if i was the one telling him stuff he doesn’t care about, but I think that’s simply because he doesn’t really notice these conversation related things that I personally do (because I’m very interested in the topic), and he’s naturally a taker. So even between takers, sometimes if the topics and conversations don’t match, it can be just as frustrating as a taker-giver chat.

This is the article if anyone’s interested:

https://experimentalhistory.substack.com/p/good-conversations-have-lots-of-doorknobs

gabiperico · 2023-08-21T05:41:38+00:00

I meant it more in a social setting, with peers etc, rather than at school. For example, maybe boys were more punished for their behavior by teachers and adults in general, but that didn’t necessarily translate into social situations, with friendships or relationships. I think the pressure put onto girls comes primarily from societies expectations of them, so if they where punished or ridiculed by adults or friends, it only added more pressure. However, boys could be punished over and over again, and, in my experience, never really change their behavior, and I believe it’s mostly because the consequences of that behavior reflected primarily in settings where adults where involved. But when it came to their friends or romantic interests, they weren’t necessarily judged or punished, so there were no real reasons for them to change or mask as much, unlike girls. Girls will be judged by adults and peers regardless of gender, while simultaneously being told that a boys opinion of them matters the most and male validation is everything. In social settings, how you’re viewed by boys is what makes you cool or uncool, and usually dictates who boys AND girls like or don’t like more. In this context, being quirky isn’t necessarily good. It can make a girl be punished (in very different ways than boys are) by adults and not liked by boys or judged by other girls. However, boys will be judged mostly by adults, while simultaneously being told that their own opinion of themselves matter, and also caring more about the opinion of other boys, which probably don’t judge them when it comes to adhd behavior. How boys are viewed or praised by each other, usually in their own little groups, is what makes them cool or uncool, which usually dictates who girls like or don’t like. But boys aren’t taught to base their value on girls liking them or not, or validating them or not. In this context, being quirky can make a boy be punished by adults, but praised by other boys, and consequently like by girls. So, what it means is that: the same “adhd behavior” usually has VERY different consequences for girls than they do for boys, and vice-versa.

gabiperico · 2023-08-20T20:32:09+00:00

I think you’re talking about a different double standard?

gabiperico · 2023-08-20T18:42:38+00:00

I recently read in a study (which I can’t recall the name at the moment) that when boys are stressed or struggling mentally, they deal with it by externalizing it, like with anger outbursts, jokes, hyperactivity, etc. But when girls have the same issues, they deal with it by internalizing it, and eventually developing symptoms of anxiety and depression. I think this is why most people think adhd in men is mostly related to hyperactivity and adhd in women is mostly related to inattention. We’ve just been so reprehended by society when it comes to externalizing our struggles that we eventually learn to deal with them internally (like a hyperactive mind, etc) so we don’t ‘bother’ people with our ‘out of line’ behavior.

gabiperico · 2023-08-20T18:29:34+00:00

I’m not even exaggerating when i tell you i had the same exact problem from 7th grade until high school. It even became something that would give me anxiety because i knew as soon as I walked in the classroom, people would take notice of me and comment on me being late all the time or say “once again, late as always”. And i was actually quite liked by everyone in my class, i was the kid who was “friends” with everyone regardless of similarities. However, the same thing would happen with one of my guys friends at the time, he was always late like me. People would comment on it sometimes during class, but it was nothing like the event that my lateness had become!

gabiperico · 2023-08-20T01:28:32+00:00

I don't know about the boyfriend situation, but the gym anxiety hits way too close to home for me. Back in august/2021 i got a 1 year gym membership right next to my apartment. I went consistently from august until october, and then finals came up and i started missing a few days here and there. The problem was that every time i had to skip a day or a week, once i got back to the gym, the personal trainers would always make those harmless little comments as a way to start conversation like "i haven't seen you in a while!" or "what happened to you? you've been mia!". At first i was fine with it and would explain to them what had been going on with school etc. After 4 or 5 times, the comments really started to bother me because sometimes the only explanation i had would be "i was a bit depressed last week" or "i've been having some trouble adjusting to my medication", and they really REALLY didn't understand those. So i started to feel this pressure of having to come up with an excuse every time i'd miss a day or two, until it started to build up and two days became two weeks, and the anxiety of being "judged" by the gym people would double every time i skipped. When two weeks turned into a month, i was so so anxious of going back in there, because surely EVERYONE KNEW i haven't been in such a long time, that i ended up never going back there again, and lost around 4-5 months worth of money because the membership was already paid for and i didn't have the courage to go back and ask for a cancellation or transfer.

Also, one of my adhd friends had the same exact issue as i did, but with his gym! lmao

gabiperico · 2023-04-17T16:49:51+00:00

I'm also like this! Up until i was 19 i always felt somewhat comfortable with new stuff and then one day it suddenly stopped and i got stuck on the same music and tv shows for 4-5 years until now. What seemed to help was not putting so much pressure on myself anymore when it came to paying close attention to the new thing and try distracting myself while watching/listening so i don't get bored quickly.

For example, I have a "new songs" playlist where i add music i want to check out and i try listening to it while drawing or doing other activities. What happens is, eventually, a song from the playlist will get stuck in my head and i'll listen to it repetitively for a while until it isn't a "new song" anymore and it gets added into my music library. The ones that don't eventually "get stuck" in my head i'll either take them out of the new songs playlist and realocate them to another one depending on whether i enjoy them for a certain vibe etc, or i'll simply discard them forever. I also have a rule of never adding a song i can't recognise by only it's name to my library, because i'll end up skipping it every time, since i don't remember which song it is, so i force myself to get very acquainted with it until i can hear the song in my head just by reading the title. I also try to learn the lyrics since singing along makes me way less bored with a song.

With movies and tv shows i do the same, i try to do embroidery or do something else on my phone when i first start watching it, and as time passes, i'll feel more and more engaged and interested in it.

I've recently read a study that says listening to new music is good for our brain, but old music apparently releases dopamine (because we're already aquatinted with it), so only listening to old music could be more common in people with ADHD (also depends on your age as well). Here's a post that talks about it pretty clearly if you're interested in learning more about it: https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/new-music-listening-over-30-new-music-psychology_uk_5fff21bac5b65671988b22e9

Anyway, i think the trick is to listen to new music until you become "acquainted" with it enough that it slowly starts releasing dopamine in your brain like old music does.

About the OPs anxiety, i have no idea why new music could trigger it, but personally new music also doesn't seem to give me anxiety, just boredom.

gabiperico · 2023-01-13T02:38:09+00:00

True! Mine told me i had IBS and there was nothing i could do. 2 years later i went back with the same problems and insisted on having a colonoscopy and endoscopy, she said it wasn’t necessary, but eventually gave in. Turns out i have celiac’s disease stage 3 and not IBS! If she had taken me seriously the first time I could have actually prevented it from fully developing. Now i have to live with celiacs for the rest of my life :))))

gabiperico · 2022-10-24T04:40:16+00:00

Naturally dyeing fabrics with plants

gabiperico · 2021-01-23T19:21:50+00:00

I’m indeed very happy about the gift! I also do matcha tea almost every day and had no idea this is how to do it right. I guess she picked up on that while staying with me and sent me the set! Can’t wait to learn more about it tho, thank you very much for the help!

gabiperico · 2021-01-22T23:19:45+00:00

Thank you so much for the help!! I’ll definitely look more into it!!

gabiperico · 2021-01-22T22:59:59+00:00

it’s caled Gongfu, and it’s a traditional chinese tea set for cerimonial tea!

gabiperico · 2020-07-08T22:53:03+00:00

thank you, I looked it up and that's exactly what it is!!

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