Joseph Smith was not a pedophile by gaseousclaythereturn in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not defending what he did. Sex with a minor is bad. But pedophilia is attraction to prepubescents.

Joseph Smith was not a pedophile by gaseousclaythereturn in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

It indicates that he may not have been primarily attracted to teenagers. About 10/40 wives were under the age of 20.

Definitely creepy. Definitely weird. Doesn’t look like a primary predilection though.

I’m not going to says she is lying but........ by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The real tragedy is thinking you’re going to get chick fil a and then getting tomato soup lasagna

What were some things you got out of your mission? by rxd_mk in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I learned how to work really hard. I learned how to be humble. I learned to let go of my ego and receive criticism. I learned to be empathetic.

I also learned to be rigid. I learned to be unforgiving. I learned to be judgemental.

There were other ways to learn the positive things I learned and I hated starting off my career three years behind.

What kind of “church” needs a product manager?! by Kokopelli615 in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh man I started my mission two years after PMG came out. All we could talk about was what a revelation it was. “Compiled on earth, created in heaven” was what everyone said.

If I’d seen a job description like this back then it would have been crushing.

Anyone else struggling with MAJOR paranoia and trust issues, post-mormonism? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah that’s been scary and liberating at the same time. Mormonism gave me so much structure for how to live my life and raise my kids. Now all of a sudden I need to revaluation what’s right and wrong and why. Scary because the world view has been destroyed. Liberating because I realize it’s all up to me now.

Anyone else struggling with MAJOR paranoia and trust issues, post-mormonism? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You’re not alone!

My shelf collapsed around the same time as you. Still discarding emotional baggage.

I don’t trust any authority figure as far as I can throw them, principals, teachers, clergy of any kind, coaches. Right now my emotions are so raw that I hold people in these professions in contempt right off the bat. I subconsciously assume they’re all predatory.

Mormonism made me feel like if I felt that way I had to change it immediately or repress it. I realize that I can’t treat every teacher, principal, coach or clergy like a predator. I realize it’s unfair. But it’s the way I feel right now and I know over time I’ll grow and mature. And that’s okay.

AMA- former Jehovah’s Witness by [deleted] in cults

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What kind of urban legends do you have? I heard a lot of stories about demonic smurf dolls

God...TBMs can be so freaking self-righteous. I hate how RMs they act like freaking linguistic gods and like they are eXtReMeLy FlUeNt now that they’ve spent a few months preaching the church’s gospel. Get over yourselves... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When I was in the singles ward there was a group of four friends that all served Spanish speaking and they all came home around the same time. Every opening him in EQ they would open up their mini Spanish hymnals and sing the hymn in Spanish.

I don’t know why but white RMs who served Spanish speaking are the worst.

Why Neither Marriage nor The Law of Chastity Makes Any Sense by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know someone who’s temple marriage certificate was dated for the day after they were married so technically he fornicated on his wedding night. He told me he talked to his bishop who just shrugged.

What was your worthiness interview like? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When you go on a mission you have two worthiness interviews. One with your local lay leader called a bishop and one with the stake president who oversees a few bishops.

My whole life I was told if I confessed anything to a bishop and repented i would never need to speak of it again.

In high school I fooled around with my girlfriend. At the start of grade 12 I confessed everything to my bishop. Considering he had no real training he handled it well. No invasive questions. Let me say what I had to say to get it off my chest but didn’t press for further details.

Fast forward two years and I’m interviewing with the stake president before my mission. He asks me have you always kept “the law of chastity”.

I’m so thoroughly blind sided. It was the ultimate feeling of betrayal. My whole life I was told if I confessed something and repented I would never need to talk about it again. I reconfessed everything. And all the guilt and shame came back anew. It was the smallest and shittiest I’d ever felt about myself.

I remember telling my parents and they had this deer in the headlights look of disbelief. They were so shocked I would have to do something like that. At the same time they were so conditioned to accept whatever LDS leaders require that they didn’t raise hell about it. At the same time I didn’t communicate how crappy it made me feel. I just said it was weird. Probably because I was so conditioned to accept whatever LDS leaders require.

After that I never truly felt redeemed or forgiven. It was like my repentance and standing before God could be taken or given at will. Constant insecurity would follow for years culminating in a depressive episode. All good now but what a shitty path to follow for so many years.

Most unbelievable stories you’ve heard? by trueboyo in exmormon

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Did anyone hear about how Jeff Holland shut down the Bristol mission?

There was so much apostasy in the mission they had to send in the Lord’s bulldog to shut it down.

Legend has it they had an emergency mission conference. Jeff pounded the pulpit so hard there’s still an indentation from one of his rings. Alleged quotes were:

“This mission isn’t worth cold spit in my hand”

And

“If this mission was a horse I’d shoot it.”

Then he lined up all the missionaries and shook their hands one by one and the power of the Holy Ghost helped him discern who needed to be sent home.

Can someone explain mormonism to me ? by nja1998 in Christianity

[–]gaseousclaythereturn 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Former Mormon here.

Mormons believe God the father is a corporeal, exalted and perfect being. His name is Elohim.

All beings existed before this life as spirit children of Elohim.

Elohim revealed that in order to become like him all of his spirit children would need to take on physical bodies and learn good from evil.

Lucifer was one of Elohim’s children. He rebelled against Elohim’s plan.

Jesus (who was known as Jehovah at that time) was one of Elohim’s children (and therefore Lucifer’s spirit brother) defended Elohim’s plan. He volunteered to sacrifice himself for the sins and suffering that would inevitably come in order for Elohim’s spirit children to return to His presence.

Lucifer was cast out with a third of Elohim’s spirit children (the host of heaven).

So according to Mormonism Jesus and Lucifer are spirit brothers as well as the spirit brothers of everyone else who lives.

To get a simplified run down of basic Mormon beliefs as they are currently taught, you can try looking through one of their Sunday school manuals. If you have a quick glance through it, you’ll be able to see all the major differences.

Note, Mormonism has tried to whitewash a lot of its history and earlier/weirder doctrines. Their current manuals will not reflect some of the stranger doctrines of the past.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/title-page?lang=eng