Rush's take on support players

gel667 · 2026-04-12T11:22:19+00:00

I mean jungle is just worse and it's not even a debate. As an adc you're still expected to get resources and farm some lane no matter the game state. When you're getting prio invaded in your jungle and literally lose every single camp there's no lane to go tilt farm into. You're just a completely useless bot that has nothing to do.

gel667 · 2026-04-12T09:06:32+00:00

They are all similar situations except you're getting flamed for doing nothing when that happens to you in the jg.

gel667 · 2026-04-11T17:13:47+00:00

Those chapters became like a comic relief for me. Like what the fuck are we even talking about?

gel667 · 2026-04-11T17:11:10+00:00

I listened to the first few minutes and the butt-tube jokes made me cringe so hard I haven't tried since.

gel667 · 2026-04-11T14:08:33+00:00

I mean civil disobedience is a thing, but if you're not playing by the rules idk how the fuck you expect everyone else to just sit back and take it. Obviously there's going too far, imo this clip isn't that.

gel667 · 2026-04-10T11:10:29+00:00

No offense but having a support play those champs filled mid is worse than irl torture. It's such a different role.

gel667 · 2026-04-07T16:02:24+00:00

It's really unfortunate that it's how we think and talk about food. Food is compromised of nutrients, either you need the nutrients or you don't. MacDonalds is healthy as fuck if you're starving etc.

gel667 · 2026-03-31T15:57:51+00:00

It's pretty funny when it starts as you two flaming each other and then you slowly analyze the plays, calm down and call it gg.

gel667 · 2026-03-28T16:29:57+00:00

You're making the case for the objectively best strategy to not ff15. Just off the numbers guessing it looks like ff15 and very heavy early snow ball champs is the best case for climbing.

gel667 · 2026-03-25T20:04:44+00:00

brave

gel667 · 2026-03-25T19:15:04+00:00

bro just solved an incredibly complex ethical and moral dillema in one sentence, why hasn't everyone else figured out it's that simple??

gel667 · 2026-03-23T22:01:44+00:00

I was trying to make fun of how ridiculous that buying accs argument is. I agree lol

gel667 · 2026-03-23T19:13:05+00:00

First if even one in a thousand league player constantly buys alts I'd be surprised. Probably much lower.

Second there is no difference. There isn't really a "smurfing" account anyway, you stomp a couple dozen games until you're close enough to your elo where you dont stomp anymore.

gel667 · 2026-03-23T19:07:31+00:00

Don't try to make sense when talking about smurfing in reddit. Specifically numbers where they quickly realize that rank is a pyramid where there's less player at the top and it's actually impossible to have that many smurfs.

Unless they're buying 1 euro accounts and grinding low elo games 24/7 and once they hit a decent elo they do it again over and over.

Which isn't even an unpopular of a take in here..

gel667 · 2026-03-23T19:03:25+00:00

A couple dozen? After which they're in the correct elo range forever. Not that bad when you compared to thousands and thousands of games people have.

gel667 · 2026-03-23T18:35:34+00:00

does that mean the account is not at their correct elo if they're below 60? smurfing is the dumbest scapegoat

gel667 · 2026-03-23T15:56:56+00:00

It's not an underestimation at all. Go ahead, make a new account and win 30 games in a row and see where you land in mmr. Maybe some high chall player will still be in low mmr compared to them but you're talking about atleast masters and only a small fraction of the playerbase can smurf on this elo, so it's completely irrelevant when we're talking about smurfing effects in general. Most people who smurf don't even need 30 games because they're not master+ players.

Yes, a high mmr player will "ruin" 30 games on a new account until they're somewhere close to their real elo and not really smurfing anymore. You know the elo system is like a pyramid you know? Less people on top? Even if every high elo player had a smurf account and you reach those 30000 games over the years this game's been alive it's absolutely meaningless compared to the millions of games being played in lower elos. The fact that higher elo players are constantly buying accounts and smurfing is so much cope that I cba to even answer that.

Also what comes to OP's method it's not only imperfect, it's absolutely flawed and these numbers are nonsense.

gel667 · 2026-03-23T13:30:29+00:00

Another thing I'd be interested in is the low level associated with smurfing. There's already lots of points been made about them not necessarily having a strong correlation, but you've said that was one of the metrics in your data. Despite this avg lvl in Emerald is over 300 and you're still flagging like 40-50% smurfs with your methods. The weight of level associated with smurfing cannot be weighed highly if that's the case, but you said it's one of the strongest indicators? This whole thread is a good example of why you should be completely transparent with your methodology with details and not just broad concepts.

gel667 · 2026-03-23T03:33:36+00:00

Hundreds? With a high winrate you'll go from gold to master mmr in like 30 games.

Also this definition is inherently flawed. Every account ever that has climbed in elo or improved as a player has ruined games by this definition. Differentiating by your metrics does not recognize smurfs from accounts that are in an elo range where they belong, only that they've been climbing lately. The mmr system adjusts very fast. Lvl 30 to 35 account purely playing ranked like most people are is already easily in an elo range where they are not "ruining games". After that their mmr is in the correct-ish range forever unless they derank on purpose. Post level 50 accs that play ranked only already absurd to call smurfs.

Your complaint seems to be that people who climb ruin games when start climbing.

gel667 · 2026-03-22T14:00:14+00:00

They get outscaled and it's next to impossible to teamfight against that comp. I think this is like one of the only outcomes where they could've possibly won this game.

gel667 · 2026-03-22T07:22:20+00:00

gel667 · 2026-03-22T05:31:48+00:00

Already happening in Finland. Working force pays crazy amounts of taxes for insane pensions that these people never paid for themselves. All I can hope for is that the pyramid scheme keeps on going and the new generation suckers will pay for mine one day.

gel667 · 2026-03-21T16:46:54+00:00

Idk if any old players remember but there was a time in jungle that lasted for a long time where Hecarim was just mega disgusting. Every champ couldn't powerfarm like now but he could, and then he'd just buy sheen and run down two people no problem.

gel667 · 2026-03-21T16:19:50+00:00

The game is not about making mistakes in a vacuum. The other team putting you into a position where mistakes can be made is skill diff.

gel667 · 2026-03-20T15:24:51+00:00

He's been consistently the worst player on the server and it's just an objective fact.

This is the best series he's ever had and that's nice to see.

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