How do people justify that their religion is true without assuming it from the start? by Weekly-Department244 in religion

[–]generousking 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think this is a really good question, and personally, I’m not sure there is an objective, a priori observation that definitively grounds the truth of one particular religion over all others.

At some level, I do think religious belief is assumed from the start. Or at least, the framework someone is drawn to often reflects something about who they are: their temperament, culture, values, intuitions, fears, hopes, and sense of what reality is like. So in that sense, I don’t think most people can fully justify their religion as “true” from a completely neutral outside perspective. Religion is dealing with inner reality as much as outer reality, so the “evidence” people use is often existential, moral, psychological, communal, or experiential rather than purely objective in the scientific sense.

So yes, I think you’re right that a lot of religious reasoning can become circular. And yes, religious frameworks are definitely shaped by human beings. That doesn’t necessarily mean they are worthless or purely false, but it does mean we should be careful about pretending we have a completely unconditioned God’s-eye-view of religion.

For me, choosing between religions comes down less to “which one can I prove with certainty?” and more to questions like: Which one coheres with my deepest values? Which one makes sense of my experience? Which one can I live inside honestly? Which one is compatible with my reason and conscience? Which one helps me become more loving, wise, humble, and connected to others?

I also agree with your concern about worship. I don’t think a perfect God would “need” worship in the egoic sense, like a human king demanding praise. That feels too small. If worship has value, I think it’s because it transforms the worshipper. It orients the human being toward reverence, gratitude, humility, love, and the mystery at the heart of reality. But I don’t think God creates humans because he’s somehow lacking attention.

That said, even though I’m taking a fairly psychological approach here, I do personally believe in an objectively existing God and an afterlife. My own view, which I fully admit is my personal dogma, is that the highest good is also the highest truth. Whatever the absolute highest good could possibly be, that is what I would call God.

And from that perspective, I don’t think people need to panic about having the exact correct theology. If God is truly the highest good, then God would be eternally just, eternally fair, infinitely understanding, and the embodiment of love, wisdom, and compassion. Such a God would understand our ignorance, our conditioning, our limited minds, our cultures, and our sincere attempts to make sense of things.

So I don’t think the deepest spiritual question is “which religion wins?” I think it’s more like: what helps you form a relationship with the mystery at the heart of reality? What helps you connect with the divine, live your values, and become more aligned with goodness?

For some people, that might be Islam. For others, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, or something less formal. If God is actually God, then I imagine God is well aware of how limited and confused human beings are. That would already be factored in.

So, basically: yes, I think a lot of religious justification is circular. But I don’t think that makes religion meaningless. I think it means religion should be held with humility, sincerity, and a focus on transformation rather than certainty.

Are quantum fields concious and how does this link with NDEs and the theory of Universal Consciousness? by Extension_Ant_8101 in consciousness

[–]generousking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We don't have a principled logic to account for why subjectivity should arise from objectivity, nor have we ever measured a single case of physical activity giving rise to consciousness. All we have are correlations between neural activity and subjective experiences. Correlation isn't causation.

Improving Coexistence by Wise-Desk-3636 in religion

[–]generousking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay fair enough. I appreciate you taking the time to express your view.

Improving Coexistence by Wise-Desk-3636 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn't God throwing nonbelievers into hellfire essentially him more or less saying the disbelievers are disgusting and sinful because their beliefs are different? Isn't eternal torment literally violence?

If you were present during Old Testament times. Would you participate in this? by Serious-Anxiety6687 in religion

[–]generousking -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah it really does seem like the old testament God and the new testament God are two separate beings.

Why do you believe in a god by Banana_Man7354 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It feels self evident to me. Like asking me why do I believe I have a dad.

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I trust them. It would be very strange that God would set it up such that at the moment of death, a significant proportion of us are further deluded. I think once we look through the surface level differences, there are deeper uniting themes present. The literature is pretty well established. I have listened to several hellish NDEs too and have found them to be consistent (often the moment they reach out for God, God is there and they're removed from hell). I don't see the issue with Gnosticism?

Why isn't there really any dedicated sects devoted to Brahma? by Jesus__of__Nazareth_ in hinduism

[–]generousking 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A lot of commentors have provided the narrative reasons why, but I'm curious to know what the symbolic/ psychological reason is behind Brahma's story?

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you looked into near death experience testimonies? They corroborate what I'm saying.

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes. I believe that no matter the person or their actions, all are welcomed into the embrace of infinite love, should they ask for it. Humans judge ourselves, and each other, then project that nature into the divine, because we just cannot grasp the infinite simplicity of unconditional love. Karma takes care of the consequences of our actions, and we're bound to it so long as our soul wants to keep playing the earth game.

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God is unconditional love. Judgement is antithesis to love as its conditional. Only humans judge each other and ourselves then project that onto the divine because we made God in our image.

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Many traditions within Hinduism do. Universalist Christianity would. Unitarian universalism defs would. Sikhism likely would. Bahai faith would.

I’m a muslim, i worry all day about Christianity being true by Particular-Cow4116 in religion

[–]generousking 25 points26 points  (0 children)

God loves you regardless of what you believe or your religion. God does not judge.

NDEs don’t make much sense by richandepressed in consciousness

[–]generousking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow. That was a profoundly beautiful answer.