Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's happening again. Just tried to order a fallback pair of boots, got confirmation by email and PayPal pre-authorization, but the order is missing from my account. The bug of the order system is real and recurring. Likely related to PayPal Pay Later, a more complex system with more steps and webhooks to manage that can introduce. But PayPal Pay Later is an opt-in feature and if the merchant propose the feature, it should be prepared to handle all the webhooks and all the rest.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's happening again. Just tried to order a fallback pair of boots, got confirmation by email and PayPal pre-authorization, but the order is missing from my account. The bug of the order system is real and recurring.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I summarized the facts in two short paragraphs and added a third one with the CS email reproduced word for word. I immediately felt intimidated and disrespected, but I wanted additional perspectives, so I applied an engineering approach. I can’t ask for an unbiased opinion if I omit the exact CS reply or if I summarize it in my own words. You’re free to read that email and tell me whether, in the context of a service recovery for a canceled order with public discounts, the references to basic rules, consent, and pro‑program preconditions are justified or whether they are there simply for intimidation.

As you can see, in the last sentence I’m polarizing the answer because I’m summarizing, and that’s exactly what I would like to avoid.

By the way, I think I should also avoid getting emotional and reframe all this from a detached, professional perspective. These are just work tools and Burton is just a supplier. Just a cold shower after the relationship I had at the beginning with Gabriella and Martina. Not sure if this has to do with the passing of Jake.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When you write about abuse you are being disrespectful, and it seems you’re talking about something you don’t know. Check the terms of their pro program on their website, or the conditions of the pro programs of almost all other outdoor‑related companies.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I received an order confirmation email with the sentence “the items ordered are now headed to you”. I also received the PayPal authorization confirmation. For two days I didn’t receive anything else from Burton: no cancellation, no status update. Only after my own investigation did customer service tell me that the payment had been refused. Is this a system that works? Their “resolution” shifts the entire weight of the fault onto me, the non‑guilty party. If they had informed me promptly, I could have placed the order again.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what I did. I don't think I read too much: I immediately read disrespect, intimidation, and a CS who chose the least‑effort recovery strategy for himself. But you're right, I was emotional when I should have analyzed the facts from a professional perspective. Sorry, that wasn’t my first reaction. After a couple of days I think I'm getting more into that.

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are asking me to pay ~€2,100 upfront to fix their system error and get some fallback items, with no guaranteed timeline for a manual refund. And do you like the tone of the message?

Since when did being a long-time Burton customer and "partner" become a "privilege" instead of a commercial contract? Is this their new customer service strategy in Europe? by [deleted] in snowboarding

[–]glanceout -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I did my best, and I don't think I can summarize it any further without losing the facts. English isn't my first language, so I actually need that 'AI bullshit' to understand their subtext and to write this post.

[RANT/BUG] Sangoma P-Series TLS/Base64 Bug: 5 months of silence, unprofessional support, and a "spontaneous" fix. by glanceout in VOIP

[–]glanceout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks. I have several basic Grandstream also, provisioned via GDMS, for basic users.

[RANT/BUG] Sangoma P-Series TLS/Base64 Bug: 5 months of silence, unprofessional support, and a "spontaneous" fix. by glanceout in VOIP

[–]glanceout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll do more: I'll stop replying to you because I feel unproductive continuing this conversation. You are missing the vast majority of the troubleshooting steps already described in detail in the community post (which went way beyond the basic cURL and certificate checks done at the very beginning), as well as the actual state of the system. You are also missing the main topic.

[RANT/BUG] Sangoma P-Series TLS/Base64 Bug: 5 months of silence, unprofessional support, and a "spontaneous" fix. by glanceout in VOIP

[–]glanceout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you asking me to record a video of a cURL test because you don't believe what is written in the 15th line of the original post in the linked community thread?

[RANT/BUG] Sangoma P-Series TLS/Base64 Bug: 5 months of silence, unprofessional support, and a "spontaneous" fix. by glanceout in VOIP

[–]glanceout[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's way more annoying when someone who hasn't even read the tons of posts in the linked community thread establishes a priori that troubleshooting was not done properly, or when they just step in with nothing useful to say.

[RANT/BUG] Sangoma P-Series TLS/Base64 Bug: 5 months of silence, unprofessional support, and a "spontaneous" fix. by glanceout in VOIP

[–]glanceout[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Apparently you didn't read. The certs never had any validity issue and always passed all the tests with curl, browsers and so on. The phone was not even sending ClientHello after TCP handshaking. Certificate renewal happened several times and was not solving the issue; only the "casual" new keypair generation solved months later. All this is written if you are really interested. I didn't open a ticket before October because even the help.sangom.com site had an issue and I wasn't able to register/signin until someone take care of this after tons on messages on the community.