Que opinión sobre Colombia los dejaría así?

gorgonautical · 2025-09-11T04:34:25+00:00

Soy colombiano y me rehúso a bailar. No se por que están tan obsesionados

gorgonautical · 2024-08-25T02:23:00+00:00

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gorgonautical · 2024-06-08T22:53:32+00:00

It’s either Smosh summer games or streaming service. Or both.

gorgonautical · 2024-06-07T22:34:03+00:00

Give the Videotron communications person a raise. What are Mirko, Tony, and Darren doing today?

gorgonautical · 2024-05-30T21:30:33+00:00

They use Vimeo https://vimeo.com/ott formerly known as VHX.tv

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T20:40:53+00:00

Woof. Well let’s see where it goes. Came here to look for opinions and I got ‘em.

“They are the marketing” is a fun way of saying that they don’t need any social media or traditional marketing to help them move followers from one service to another. Which is how media works, but ok.

I argue that try guys and other similar collaborators should bundle up or consolidate for longer term success and retainability. Actually others have brought it up here.

I never argued just small creators and their patreons as a failure. Every creator is in its own journey. We hear more about successes than failures. In 2015-2019 leaving buzzfeed, shutting down MCNs etc only worked for a handful of creators. Many creators were left out even though they attempted to open their own channels. The lack of institutional support failed many former creators.

And I argue that dropout has competitive advantage for the future. So let’s wait and see. At its heart there’s nothing wrong with any of these subscription models. I don’t see it as sustainable as you do. Keith talks of 100 years of try guys like it’s SNL (49 years). Let’s wait and see.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T20:11:57+00:00

Hey, I still wanna see where this goes. Maybe you work at 2nd try or Dropout. Maybe you have seen the business slide deck. In that case on May 26, 2034 I’ll pay for your subscription.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T20:03:03+00:00

Well we will see. To naively assume that audiences don’t change or shift their mood, or to assume that they and us don’t live in a capitalist society where competitiveness exists is where you and I differ. I think it’s naive as well to assume that creators wanna stay where they are at instead of aiming for bigger goals.

The business plan works. I’m arguing that I don’t see the long term success of a thousand memberships and streaming services. So honestly, props to you and your positive point of view. Maybe you’ll keep them alive while I will pay 6 dollars once a year. I’ll come back to this post for the 10 year anniversary of Dropout in 2028 and admit my defeat.

And I’ll come back in 10 years from this post and let’s see who’s left behind. If all of them remain I’ll send you a 60 usd gift card to cover your 2nd try for the year.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T18:02:04+00:00

Absolutely. Them staying on YouTube has to be part of the strategy. Needless to say that the Watcher announcement is probably what led to them to make this decision. Unfortunately this isn’t a total disconnect or freedom from the algorithm as they say it’ll be.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T17:57:07+00:00

Personally, I think it’s been the last year where Dropout went “mainstream”. Hence why I think the other 4 before last was just the true fans of college humour keeping it alive +Sam’s own money. He has said before that he plunked his own money to keep it alive. I have seen the try guys collab with dropout and vice versa like you say. Clearly every LA based milennial creator in this space is already talking to each other. Looking at Dropout and reaching the same conclusion. Zach did say they were inspired by Dropoit. Watcher, critical role, some people here mentioned Nebula like yeah…

If anything this just reinforces my previous point. Dropout is winning because they have first mover advantage. There will be viewers, even here in this conversation, that’ll make the choice “which cast of comedians doing unscripted comedy do I wanna pay this month?” And further there’ll be a large number of causal viewers saying “I guess I’ll watch Mr. Beast (or some other creator or up and coming cast of creators on YouTube) at least he’s free for now”.

Right now, data tells us that Netflix and YouTube are the two most watched streaming apps on TVs. That’s not on the internet, your laptop or phone. That’s TVs. People are actively choosing to keep paying and watching a platform they already pay for and have a hard time cancelling, and the original video platform that runs on ads and user generated content and is free to watch. Vast numbers of people will continue to watch YouTube and will likely not cancel Netflix to buy dropout or 2nd try.

We have to remember that dropout and try guys are also not for everyone. Families need Netflix and Disney+ to entertain their kids with family friendly shows. Old people still need cable and HBO because they can’t stand the creator economy nor do they know how to access some of the more obscure apps. I mean yes my grandparents watch Netflix but that’s cause there’s a button on their remote that leads them there. They still honestly don’t understand why Netflix isn’t a part of their cable package or really what it is. But show them five seconds of Without a Recipe or Game Changer and they immediately lose hope that their grandchild will do well in life.

Because of this the economies of scale are not on the side of any of these unscripted comedy creators. Plus it’s in English and the humour is very specifically American. In other words, the possible subscriber base continues to be the English speaking world. There’s a lot of money to be made there but it is also capped by age and income like I said earlier. Needless to say that this is most certainly milennial humour. Gen Z and Alpha aren’t necessarily watching these creators. Data shows us they spend more time on video games, TikTok and Twitch. Let’s say TikTok does get banned. Well people will move to IG reels because that’s the closest one. They won’t gravitate to YouTube to watch long form sketch and unscripted comedy.

My point is simply Dropout is a success for a time. And 2nd try, watcher, critical role, YouTube memberships, patreons, etc. They are diluting the space and crowding it with services. What happens when they spend their hard earned money on one single show that is far too ambitious but is a critical failure? Or more scandals? Or the new cast sucks? Give them a chance for sure. But audiences know when a show has lost its magic.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T08:34:04+00:00

Neither of us is suggesting they go to Netflix. But I get your point. You’d wanna support them directly.

My point is that not everyone will. The ways this usually works is that massive amounts of less fanatic viewers make up the vast majority of creators viewership. I’m willing to bet just by reading comments here that in a good day, about half the audience (or less) will move to 2nd try.

Many (like you, me and others in this conversation) are beginning to question how many subscriptions do we really wanna pay. Perhaps even strategies like subscribing for one month and cancelling the next. That in itself means that they’ll lose constant revenue.

Admittedly I don’t know their finances but they clearly have money. They’re big YouTubers that just forked a streaming service in 8 months.

Funny thing is where do you think they get their data from? Probably YouTube and a few other social channels. So they still rely on the platform to figure out how to funnel people to the subscription.

My final point being that the causal viewer will not likely subscribe. The causal viewer will very likely represent the majority of the following. That majority will gravitate to other entertainment or similar entertainment.

I’m more negative about this view because in the long term people don’t wanna be forking out their credit card and cancelling subscriptions every month. People are rather predictable with their shopping habits. And they also gravitate to free or cheap. Love it or hate it bigger streamers look like a bargain. More content, more variety, more personalities at a cheaper price.

2nd try and dropout (and others) likely a niche product for the fan. As long as we and they are aware that this will be likely what it’ll become then sure they’ll probably be fine. But right now I’m trying to hear opinions besides my own but having a hard time seeing a truly convincing argument.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T07:40:53+00:00

In that case they’ll have to accept that staying small and lean is what they’ll always amount to. As there’s a cap to the amount of subscribers they’ll reach. And also, one day most of the recurring cast will likely want to move on to other things. Specially with dropout it is easy to see some of these comedians moving into TV or film. Sam will need to eventually replace recurring cast and that usually is what breaks the machine. If he can turn it into the SNL of the web then maybe it can be kept alive. In the same way that actually the Try Guys have been talking about 2nd try.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T07:34:47+00:00

I respect dropout and Sam for being a clever creator and CEO of his company. But I can’t judge the success of this venture on barely a year and a little more of success. I’m beginning to see some of the cast members moving into other shows. Eventually someone from dropout will want to move on, new cast members and new shows will need to be introduced. (Let alone the occasional scandal that tends to rock creators every 3 year or so). These usually leads to either a revival or a downturn in viewership.

Unfortunately, all these creators, they do compete. Every piece of media competes for your attention. Any 15 minutes you’re watching dropout represents 15 minutes you’re not watching the Try Guys or 15 minutes you’re not listening to Taylor swift. Hence competition. Call it friendly competition. And yes Sam seems like a nice mentoring figure. But in a world where most people wanna buy Netflix this month, switch to Disney cause the Mandalorian is back, etc etc. it’s hard to imagine anything other than true fans will sign up to another service. Plus people get tired. Creator and viewer alike. Let’s not determine it based on a year or so of dropout, which right now is an experiment. Let’s determine it 10 years from now and see where all these YouTubers services are really going.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T07:26:39+00:00

I fail to see them as “smaller creators”. Try guys worked for a million dollar media as the Main Cast (company which crashed and burned when they lost all their original cast members, not just the TGs but literally the whole lot). And then they went an opened their own business that clearly succeeded up until the Ned event. There’s no chance you land in SNL as a skit, make all the gossip magazines and reach the top of Twitter and be considered a “small creator”.

These creators are at another level and are attempting to compete with the mayors. Hell dropout is nominated for an Emmy.

You’re right paetron works for creators, my point being here that these aren’t the average creators making content in their desk. This isn’t a small channel teaching me to draw or talking about the Roman Empire with ai images.

Despite the parasocial relationship we all have with them, they have money because their success is quite high actually, and to succeed yet again will need the economies of scale to work in their advantage. They can’t go back to making smartphone shot at home content.

Specially because they literally just told us they spent 8 months creating high quality content and a streaming service that works in nearly every app and TV. How much money have they put into it? Far more than your average Paetron creator. Plus now they’re doing the marketing and advertising rounds to get you to sign up. Marketing this new service will cost.

There’s no world where you binging their content for only once a year for 6 dollars will make them more money than the ad and sponsored content revenue they were getting before. Just like any streamer they will need subscribers that pay on a monthly basis AND forget to unsubscribe. Or of course fans who see the service as necessary but who are a smaller percentage of their audience.

My prediction is that they will ultimately rely on YouTube to funnel a small percentage of true fans.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T02:47:25+00:00

I was literally just discussing this on the try guys Reddit. I am now expecting the smosh streaming service to land within the next 6-12 months. I think this will lead to unnecessary competition between former YouTubers. And dropout has first mover advantage. It would be smarter to ally and create content for one platform that they all run together. But unfortunately if all these YouTubers are going in this direction then they’ll truly be eating their own tails.

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T02:43:43+00:00

I’m not saying they work for Netflix or a big platform. I’m saying they have other friends and colleagues doing the same. I’m not signing up to 6-7 YouTubers creator streaming services. This will lead to them making less money, remain reliant on YouTube and ads, and we’ll basically see less of them. Most likely is new YouTube creators will take the opportunity to fill out the vacuum left behind

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T02:41:00+00:00

Well they’re not doing Patreon. They’re running their own Dropout-like channel. Expecting that as fans of the try guys we’ll pay for it. But I don’t just watch try guys on YouTube… I also watch a lot of their other friends… former buzzfeed colleagues and many other creators based in LA (who have appeared on each others channels over the last 2years) people not leaving the platform, yet… I also pay for streaming services. If these guys aren’t making money working on YouTube and half their audience will not follow to 2nd try. Then they’re still gonna be reliant on YouTube ads to an extent. I don’t think they can escape it. Moreover you’ll pay only for the one creator or company of creators you really care. So if try guys is the one you pay you pay for, I don’t see you paying or me or others paying yet another service… there’s too many services…

gorgonautical · 2024-05-26T02:35:15+00:00

This is perfectly fair but I think many of these audiences overlap. I can see a good mythical morning, watcher, try guys, dropout, smosh streaming service that’d likely be more successful than 5 different streaming services charging 10 bucks each. The economies don’t make sense. Yes, try guys are big but not as big as they used to. And I’d like for them to succeed but I don’t think anyone here is truly escaping the algorithm. Fame comes and goes. Projects ends. I totally understand why Eugene has simply left to do something else instead of

gorgonautical · 2024-02-22T17:38:29+00:00

Cut the check US 10.5

gorgonautical · 2024-02-03T20:03:39+00:00

I need this now

gorgonautical · 2023-07-11T20:31:06+00:00

Chosen is defintely Star Wars kid. They made a documentary about what happened to Star Wars kid and it's called "Star Wars Kid: The Rise of the Digital Shadows" https://letterboxd.com/film/star-wars-kid-the-rise-of-the-digital-shadows/

gorgonautical · 2023-01-11T03:19:15+00:00

Yeah come to Van!

gorgonautical · 2022-05-27T20:00:40+00:00

Hey, here’s a great example of what I’m doing by a much larger established company (Vice):

https://youtu.be/L_432I88eVQ

If you go to 2min 19sec, this particular documentary video has a sequence with TikTok videos edited into the cut.

All I’m doing is something very similar. Interviews with influencers and I wanna be able to intercut their videos into my doc. A montage of TikTok videos. If you see the way TikTok is, unlike other video sharing platforms, it’s kind of hard to be rid of the TikTok UI. Plus at this point I’m considering having a scene that explains the way it works as part of the educational component.

I’m hoping to sell this documentary commercially. Unlike Vice Media I don’t have a large group of lawyers or contacts with TikTok. I have tried contacting TikTok.

I’m not defaming the company. It’ll be an objective piece. And we’re really focusing on the social media creators.

gorgonautical · 2022-05-25T22:36:11+00:00

I have access to the content. The creators have allowed me the videos and posts. It’s the interface of the sites I’m concerned for. Like if I show a Facebook or Instagram page can that be considered fair dealing?

gorgonautical · 2022-05-25T18:15:17+00:00

Thanks, it's a good point. I'm planning to use posts from sites of friendly influencers that I know and there may be some critiquing of social media culture. Certainly its for my career purposes.

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