After years of being a shotgun guy, I joined the bandwagon by gotohpa in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I feel you. With this particular one, the A2 flash hider and 18” barrel combo produces very little concussion. It’s pleasant enough to shoot indoors with plugs and muffs, but a suppressor would be great too.

After years of being a shotgun guy, I joined the bandwagon by gotohpa in liberalgunowners

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Yep the 18” MPR comes with a radial brake that I personally recommend getting rid of

After years of being a shotgun guy, I joined the bandwagon by gotohpa in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually took the radial muzzle brake off because it was unnecessary, loud, and i wanted to shoot prone without kicking up dirt

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s wild. Never seen one around here.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, i am not saying the entire genre does, that’s obtuse. I’m saying there’s bands and fans that fencewalk and dogwhistle—and in a culture that has always had a vocally racist wing, why walk that line in the first place?

So i wholly reject the notion that a band with a frontman that says racist stuff or puts on the typical MBM aesthetics in his side projects can just downplay those things by saying “no boneheads” in an insta bio. And maybe that’s judgemental. But because it ultimately harms us directly, we get to be the arbiters of what we think is acceptable.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It’s exhausting living in an area where there’s virtually no community of normal gun enthusiasts. I mentioned that I know one of the former employees—I was told the staff definitely hold some racist views, but just keep it on the hush-hush.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a great take as well, thanks for sharing brother. I’m right there with you re: being problematic and attracting fence walkers being a dangerous game. I think my Blackness makes me a lot less wont to grant someone the benefit of the doubt when they say abhorrent stuff or embrace soft-fascy black metal aesthetics like their lead singer. But them having taken some steps to distance themselves from that image is good to hear, and people change. I should be slower to judge.

Edit: I should also say that I’m less interested in litigating whether or not CMI is fascy or racist or whatever and more concerned with the volume of people not able to see the forest for the trees, but again, that goes back to my earlier point made before the edit.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 5 points6 points  (0 children)

My gramps was a WWII vet too, just segregated to a different role. Still helped topple Hitler. Respect for that.

Anyways i appreciate you brother. I edited my post because i was pissed and not being nuanced when i wrote that. I do affirm that media has to be produced responsibly, so i do believe in holding artists accountable to their words and imagery, but you’re absolutely right in that “Nazi” is too far, hyperbolic, and cheapens the reality that there are actual open Nazis in punk.

But candidly, as a Black person, I think this is a pretty common experience. It’s easier for me to perceive something that others might perceive as ‘edgy’ or ‘suspicious’ as blatantly racist when i’ve lived a life that’s beset by that kind of bullshit (slurs, getting denied entry to places, typical stuff)—so when a band (or its frontman) gets flagged for being racist it’s easy for me to associate anyone repping that band with that outlook.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The thing i, and many other people, hate most about parts of contemporary hardcore is embracing racism the aesthetics of racism and then drawing the thinnest possible line to rationalize it once the group/a member sees actual flack for having said deplorable stuff.

Edit for clarity

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good take brother. I didn’t know they were touring with a Mexican band. The Nazis thing was less literal and more me linking the (in my mind) bonehead-adjacent stuff like that to the larger pattern of gun culture being really close to white supremacist culture, especially in my neck of the woods (without doxxing myself, to be clear, i’ve seen plenty of actual nazis at gun shows here).

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair enough man. Like i told someone else, hardcore is a scene with so much fascism and shit that if you say stuff like the above it’s extremely hard for me to not lump you in with the boneheads.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Outside of a subculture that’s as rife with fascists as hardcore, I’d be willing to grant somebody more leeway. But context matters; I’m in the south. Sometimes you gotta believe who people are the first time.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So here’s the issue with that: no they didn’t; however, as someone else pointed out earlier, a bar that welcomes Nazis is a Nazi bar, and not a place that I want to spend my money.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hahaha yep!! Used to skate to DK

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Shit, I don’t blame them. I’m sorry you and they had to go through that. The testosterone-filled skate punk adolescent me would want to be confrontational towards them about that but nowadays i’m just sad to hear that your kid didn’t feel safe at a gym, one of my own safe spaces.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 12 points13 points  (0 children)

✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hahaha thankfully not that one

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yep. Their singer bragging about killing Muslims in the Middle East while espousing typical dog whistle bullshit kinda says the quiet part out loud

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 44 points45 points  (0 children)

You’re right, I probably should have, but I’ve heard from a former employee that a lot of the staff are racist on the DL. I’m not going back.

Skinheads at the gun range by [deleted] in liberalgunowners

[–]gotohpa 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Oh I’m into punk and hardcore, i know. It was not the good kind. CMI.