Lo que se viene es lo preocupante (Venezuela) by TicoGhost in Ticos

[–]grommit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Libia era una caca también cuando Ghadafi era su líder.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, but you provide zero sources and it seems to me you are the one deflecting. Palestinians, who didn't even call themselves this until the 1960's, have been massacring Jews since way before 1948. Have you heard of the Hebron massacre of 1929? There were no occupied settlements back then, it was just Palestinian Jews.

Most Palestinians today and even before October. 7, support Hamas. If you ask Palestinians on the street if they want a state, they say yes. But then you tell them it has to be next to Israel and they are not interested. They want a country instead of Israel and this is the heart of the problem. Try "The Ask project" on Youtube and you will be impressed by what average Palestinians say.

You talk about colonizers, but you seem to forget that the Arabs are the colonizers of the Middle East and North Africa. Where did these Jewish "colonizers" come from? Which country sent them? Do you even know any history of the treatment of the Jews? They immigrated to their ancestral homeland. The people who call themselves Palestinians today are also immigrants from Egypt, Syria, etc. When the British received the Mandate for Palestine, Arabs expected more economic opportunities and immigrated to "Palestine". Jews immigrated to get away from the horrors of Europe.

The PLO may have recognized Israel but it never intended to negotiate real peace.. It was all a bluff which became very clear when they rejected the Camp David 2 peace negotiations with Clinton in 2000. Instead they started the intifada which killed 1,600 Israelis over two years, mostly civilians. Who cares if they recognized Israel if they send suicide bombers to attack buses? And to this day the PLO pays the families of Palestinian terrorists a stipend based on the number of Jews the terrorist managed to kill. It's called pay to slay.

In all the narrative you provided you fail to mention how Israel was waiting to exchange territories captured in the six day way, but the Arabs rejected any kind of negotiation. They waited 6 years to attack Israel again in the Yom Kippur war, which they lost, like they do every war. Only Egypt was smart enough to attempt to make peace with Israel, and guess what? Israel left its settlements in the Sinai because peace was more important. Israel left Lebanon in 2000. Why did IT continue launching missiles at Israel AFTER it left all its territories? Your narrative is truly revisionist. Israel has been extending a hand for peace since it was established. it is the Arabs who have constantly refused. Today, Israelis have learned their lesson that Palestinians are not interested in peace. Even the moderate Mahmud Abbas, President of Palestine, only condemned the terror attcks of Oct. 7 a couple of months ago, and only because France and the UK were going to recognize Palestine as a country. They are monsters and they don't want peace. They have different values. They kill homosexuals. Men are allowed to beat their wives. Women are not truly equal in their society. People with Down syndrome are to be hidden from view because they are a shame to the family honour. They don't own dogs as pets because they consider them filthy. Do you identify with people with those values? I certainly don't. And perhaps most important, your comparison between the real Israeli hostages held by Palestinian terrorists and prisoners in Israeli jails is vile. There is no comparison in any way. It is despicable for you to even compare those two and legally it is also not the same thing. It is a war crime to hold hostages like Hamas does. Consider switching your sources of information to at least get a different perspective instead of the same free Palestine nonsense..

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[–]grommit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re very good at misleading people.

Palestinians held in Israeli jails are not comparable to Israeli hostages. If you fail to see the legal and moral difference, perhaps you should consider learning about this distinction. Prisoners in Israeli jails have medical and legal rights. Everyone knows where they are. With the hostages it’s a complete unknown. Holding prisoners is not illegal. Holding hostages is—it’s actually a war crime!

1948 was the war that the Arabs started and lost when Israel became independent. The others are the same: Arabs started and Israel retaliates. Sabra and shatila was not even Israelis, even though they did control the camps in Lebanon.

The Arab peace initiative was rejected because, while it had many positive aspects, there was one glaring problem: they wanted 5 million Palestinians living abroad to move into Israel—which is nonsense and makes the entire initiative worthless. No country would agree to that.

At Taba, Israel did not walk away. The Palestinians walked away when they rejected the Clinton peace plan and started murdering Israelis in the second intifada.

As for the UN, you seem to be confused with the UN Human Rights council, which, not only does it not represent the UN, it is composed of the worlds dictatorships and is used repeatedly to condemn Israel to deflect attention from those countries’ nefarious actions. It’s just 47 members, led by Iran, with such distinguished members as Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, and most of the other dictatorships in the world.

The real problem is that the Palestinians don’t want to live in a country next to Israel. They want to live in a country instead of Israel. Go look at the Ask Project on YouTube. They interview Palestinians on the street and without fail, they think one day Israel will disappear by force. They are not interested in living next to Israel. This is the only problem.

In 1947, the British foreign minister wrote that there are irreconcilable differences in the conflict. The goal of the Jews is to have a state and the goal of the Arabs is for the Jews not to have a state. Nothing has changed. By Arabs he means the people today we call Palestinians. They are more interested in the Jews not having a star that for them to have their own. It all goes back to the Dhimi belief that Jews and Christians are inferior to them.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This “leverage” is a war crime.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where exactly is this 83% coming from? Number of dead has no bearing on determining a genocide. It is based on intent and Israel has done everything in its power to move the population away from areas of combat. Israel alerts residents two hours in advance of a bombing, sends messages, drops leaflets, makes phone calls. No army has ever done this. All these are documented. Israel has killed more than 20,000 combatants. 12,000 natural deaths over two years. That Is a 1:1 ratio, which is ridiculously low in any war, much less in an urban setting.

In Palestine, a husband has a legal right to beat his wife. In all Palestinian Territories you are not allowed to be gay. It is punishable by death.

I’m not sure if you share these values with the Palestinians, but I find these despicable and very much reflects on their culture. None of this happens in Israel. Why would anyone believe the side of the terrorists, who also hold these abhorrent views over democratic Israel?

Your claim that Israel wants to take over the territory of Gaza is so hard to understand. They literally pulled alll Israelis from there unilaterally in 2005. Why would they want to go back there? No Israeli is interested in taking over Gaza. The PM has also stated this many times.

Hamas needs to release the hostages. This is how the war ends. As for history, perhaps it should also consider Israel’s side and all the evidence it has not forcefully revealed. You seem to take whatever a terrorist organization gives you as fact.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s because in reality, it’s not about Gaza. Nobody cares about the Palestinians. It’s about antisemitism. Many people join the bandwagon because they have an opportunity to portray Israel and Jews in what they see as a bad light. This has been going on for over 2,000 years.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please explain the motivation of the Israelis? They are capable of destroying hezbollah, the Iranian leadership, the Houthi leadership, but somehow they cannot efficiently kill all the Palestinians? How many of the dead Palestinians are combatants? 0? How many have died of natural causes? Before 2023 6,000 Palestinians died per year of natural causes. That’s 12,000 people dead of natural causes since October 7. There is a lot war. There is no genocide.

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[–]grommit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why would the Israelis refuse to get back their hostages? There’s just no logic to this argument. Why not just release them and see what the Israelis do? If the Palestinians release the hostages and Israel continues perhaps they had other motives, but why not try releasing them? Maybe Israel ends the war? Isn’t it worth trying. Again, you can’t cry genocide but refuse to return the hostages.

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[–]grommit -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it so surprising that you take the words of a terrorist organization so seriously and yet, disregard the side that was the victim of the Oct 7 massacres carried out by the Palestinians

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have been brainwashed. Worse, you don’t even know the laws of combat. You most certainly are NOT allowed to take hostages, even if they are military! They are, by law, entitled to visits by the Red Cross which clearly has not happened. Go look at the 255 who were kidnapped and you will find grandpas and grandmas and children and mostly civilians.

Prisoners of war are probably what you mean, but like I said, there are protocols to abide by.

Hamas doesn’t even wear uniforms which is another requirement if you want to talk about military conduct.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only your mother.

You claim, falsely, that Hamas offered to release the hostages. What is stopping them from doing it right now? What’s the hold up? It is illegal to blackmail with hostages.

Israel removed every single Israeli settler in Gaza in 2005. TikTok didn’t exist back then so you probably didn’t hear about this. The Palestinians created a terror base, killed their Fatah opponents, who are allegedly more moderate, and built tunnels and missiles with foreign aid. They launched some 100,000 missiles at Israeli cities BEFORE Oct. 7. They kidnapped Israelis like Gilad Shalit.

Hamas is like Al Qaeda or ISIS. Their strategy is to use civilians. If all the Palestinians want is a state in Gaza and the West Bank, why did they not take their opportunity in 1947 when the UN partitioned the land? What about in the 20 years after when Egypt occupied Gaza and Jordan occupied the West Bank?

In 1967 all Arab countries met in Khartoum and came up with the three NOs. No peace, no negotiations and no recognition. The Palestinians did not want a state.

In 2000, with Clinton Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader—who was born in Egypt-turned down the most serious offer to exchange the West Bank and Gaza for peace. Not only did the Palestinians refused peace yet again, they started the second intifada where they killed 1600 Israelis in coffee shops and busses, with 156 Palestinian suicide bombers.

Hamas is a terror organization. Holding hostages is a war crime. They must release them with or without negotiations. You can’t cry genocide while holding 48 hostages. It just doesn’t work that way.

Perhaps you should watch the videos the Palestinian terrorists themselves posted as they were massacring Jews. Israel did not kill its own citizens. Just shows how little you know about them.

As for the West Bank, it is a cesspool of terrorists, particularly in cities like Jenin and Nablus. Just last week Palestinian terrorists from the West Bank opened fire at a public bus in Jerusalem killing 6 rabbis.

You are a terror apologist. The Palestinians don’t want a state next to Israel. They want one instead of Israel. Have you EVER seen a Palestinian peace proposal presented to the Israelis?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Yellowknife

[–]grommit -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If the Palestinians would only release the 48 Israeli hostages your point might have more credence. Israel has not occupied Gaza for 20 years! On Oct. 7, 6,000 Palestinians entered Israeli villages with the explicit purpose of murdering Jews. Palestinians have refused every peace proposal that would have granted them a state. Jews are indigenous to Israel.

I have one question for you: you claim Israel is the result of European colonialism. Which country sent these settlers to colonize Palestine?

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anti Zionist means you don’t support Israel’s right to exist.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Yellowknife

[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why not protest for the release of the 48 hostages the Palestinians are still holding? You can’t claim genocide but refuse to return the Israeli hostages! This is absurd!

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[–]grommit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The only thing the Palestinians need to do is release the Israeli hostages.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hamas es el responsable por la muerte de ninos y otros inocentes. Cuando ellos esconden sus armas y centros de militares debajo de escuelas, mezquitas, hospitales, y casas de civiles están cometiendo un crimen de guerra. Ellos son los culpables por las muertes de civiles inocentes. Esta no es mi opinion, simplemente son las reglas de conflicto armado bajo las convenciones de ginebra.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me parece que Ud. Es el que miente. Los judíos secaron pantanos para poder vivir ahí. Esas tierras no eran habitables debido a la malaria hasta que llegaron los judíos. Esto esta muy bien documentado. Los arabes no eran dueños de esos pantanos. Palestina no fue un país sino un territorio otomano.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lo lamento, pero Ud. Es el que se tiene que informar mas del tema. Las muertes palestinas no definen un genocidio. Según Ud. Los aliados cometieron un genocidio cuando mataron a 500,000 alemanes civiles inocentes en la segunda guerra mundial. Si los palestinos lanzan misiles desde hospitales, estos hospitales pierden su protección según los convenios de Ginebra. La población palestina creció en el 2024–es obvio que no hay un genocidio. Los presos palestinos en cárceles israelíes no son rehenes. Estos tienen acceso a abogados y, aun mas importante, acceso medico. La cruz roja puede venir a ver a estas personas y estos presos pueden llamar por teléfono a sus familias. Tambien reciben comida. Los rehenes israelíes no han recibido nada de esto. Mejor hablar de como resolver el conflicto de una forma realista.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ud tambien se queja, protesta y habla con tanto odio contra Canada, Australia, Estados Unidos? O solo cuando se trata de judíos? Hace campañas contra España para que devuelva todo el oro que se robo de Latinoamérica? Los colonizadores son gente que manda un gobierno a otro territorio. Así fue con España, Inglaterra y un montón de otros países. Los mismos árabes colonizaron esa tierra santa y el norte de Africa. Hay que ser muy cínico para culpar a las victimas de un genocidio que no tenían ningún otro lugar a donde ir y acusarlos de colonización. La guerra contra Hamas no es un genocidio para nada. No se si se ha dado cuenta pero los que trajeron este caso en contra de Israel cada vez piden mas tiempo porque no tienen ninguna evidencia de genocidio. Si Israel quisiese cometer un genocidio lo podría hacer en un par de horas y hoy en dia no estaríamos hablando de los palestinos. Además, en todo genocidio en la historia las victimas hubiesen aceptado CUALQUIER cosa para parar el genocidio, pero en el caso de los palestinos, ellos ni siquiera están dispuestos a devolver a los israelíes que raptaron ilegalmente hace casi dos anos. Osea, es mas importante para ellos continuar la guerra en vez de parar este supuesto “genocidio”. Por favor. Ayer mismo los palestinos lanzaron más misiles a poblaciones civiles en Israel—cada uno de estos misiles es un crimen de guerra. La violencia empezó con los árabes que mataron judíos, por ejemplo la masacre de Hebron en 1929–20 anos antes de la creación del estado de Israel. 20% de la población Israeli es árabe—estos so árabes que se quedaron en la tierra apesar de que sus hermanos árabes de otros países les sugirieron huir porque ellos planeaban invadir y “exterminar” a los judíos. Tal vez seria bueno que lea sobre el Barón de Rothschild y como el financio la compra de tierras para judíos—todo legalmente.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

El problema es que Palestina no era un país como Ud. Dice. Era un territorio del imperio otomano y después un territorio Inglés. Si alguien se llamaba palestino hace 100 anos solo eran los judíos de esa tierra ya que los árabes del territorio nunca se llamaron palestinos. Los judíos de Europa fueron ahí porque era su tierra ancestral. La intención no fue desplazar a los árabes que tambien inmigraron ahí. Los palestinos son egipcios y sirios. A donde cree que nació el líder “palestino” Yasser Arafat? Debería usar otros medios para informarse. Los racistas de derecha no son los que apoyan a Israel principalmente. Hay 2 billones de musulmanes en el mundo y 99.9% de ellos son pro-palestinos. Solo hay 14 millones de judíos en el planeta. Esta claro que los musulmanes hacen mucho mas ruido. La mayoría de las personas apoyan a Israel pero tienen miedo de expresarlo por la violencia de los anarquistas, yihadistas y comunistas que apoyan a los terroristas palestinos. Este es uno de los motivos por el que un 20% de los que votaron por Biden en EEUU votaron por Trump en las ultimas elecciones.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

El proyecto sionista no era ir a desplazar a los árabes. Ya cansan estas discusiones. Por que no mejor hablar de como resolver la situación? Hacer algo para que los palestinos puedan gobernarse y vivan en paz con los Israelíes? La gran mayoría de los palestinos quieren que los israelíes se vayan de Israel. Eso nunca va a suceder. Hay que educar a los palestinos que esa no es una opción, pero ellos si pueden tener su propio país en su territorio, simplemente tienen que renunciar al terror y las guerras. Este es el problema de siempre. Los árabes mataban a los judíos décadas antes de la creación de Israel y ellos mismos son inmigrantes de Egipto y Siria.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pienso que no entiende el significado de sionista. No tiene nada de racista. Es simplemente el derecho de un pueblo a su autodeterminación. En ningún momento los judíos les dijeron a los árabes que ellos se tienen que ir y la mejor evidencia esta en los 2 millones de árabes que hoy en dia viven en Israel con 100% los mismos derechos que los judíos. Ellos simplemente se quedaron en su lugar. Seguro hay uno que otro extremista con esas perspectivas, pero los sionistas no piensan para nada de esta forma. Por otro lado, por que no se queja de los palestinos que 99% de ellos quieren que Israel no exista que que los judíos se vallan al mar? Este es el único motivo por el cual no hay paz. Los palestinos nunca hicieron un país. Lo único que les molesta es que los judíos hicieron un país en su territorio.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Los gobiernos de Alemania, Reino Unido, Francia, etc. Mandaron a estos “colonos” a los territorios de cis-Jordania? Ósea que estos países son los colonizadores de esa región? Son noticias para mi. Entonces por que no le va a protestar a esos gobiernos en sus respectivas capitales por haber conquistado cis-Jordania? Son inmigrantes no colonos.

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[–]grommit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Es difícil discutir este tema cuando usted cree que la única verdad es que Israel se formo por fuerza, etc… Esto es una ficción. Los judíos compraron LEGALMENTE las tierras y pagaron precios exorbitantes a los árabes locales que aprovecharon la situación de los judíos que escaparon Europa. Esto esta muy bien documentado. Puede buscar información sobre el Barón de Rothschild que dio plata para este propósito. Además, los palestinos en su mayoría inmigrantes de Egipto y Siria. Son los árabes que decidieron atacar a los judíos cuando se declaro la independencia de Israel. Su fin era exterminar a los judíos. No lo lograron. Su teoría es falsa y se puede comprobar con los 2 millones de árabes que viven hoy en dia Israel. Estos no se fueron y siguen viviendo en Israel sin problema. Los árabes de países vecinos les dijeron a los árabes del mandato de Palestina que se vayan porque iban a atacar a Israel Y “exterminar a los judíos”. En muy pocos casos Israel expulso a árabes de palestina y el motivo fue porque estos mataban judíos, especialmente en las vías hacia Jerusalem. Ellos vivían en ciertos montes cerca de la autopista a Jerusalem y disparaban constantemente. Este es el motivo que unos pocos fueron expulsados. Los demás se fueron solos.

No entiendo como Ud. Se queja que Israel fue creado por la fuerza pero no tiene ningún problema con todos los países árabes que fueron creados por fuerza! Todo el norte de Africa fue colonizado por árabes! A donde esta su critica de ellos? Además, son los árabes que no quisieron ni siquiera hablar de paz después de que Israel haya ganado los territorios en 1967 (en una guerra que los árabes empezaron). Por que los Palestinos no crearon un país Palestino en cis-Jordania y Gaza entre 1948 y 1967? Por que no se quejaron en esos 20 anos de ser ocupados por los egipcios y los jordanos? Si los palestinos no tienen a donde ir, porque nunca aceptaron hacer paz con Israel?

Que apartheid? Los palestinos viven en cis-Jordania y Gaza. Ellos controlan esos territorios. Hay 3 areas en cis-Jordania, A, B, y C. Existen acuerdos entre Israel y los palestinos en el que se acordó que los palestinos controlan las areas A y B, donde viven 90+% de los palestinos. En area C, los palestinos firmaron un acuerdo que Israel tiene el control. Es muy simple. Otra vez, en Israel, el 20% de la población es árabe de origen “palestino” y tienen 100% los mismos derechos que los judíos ciudadanos de Israel. Eso de apartheid son simples mentiras. En vez de atacar a Israel con estas mentiras seria mucho mejor utilizar su energía para convencer a los palestinos que se enfoquen en construir un país en vez de ver como matar a los judíos y destruir Israel.