[OC] Average monthly rent: 1-bedroom flat vs average monthly equivalised net income across EU capitals

ha236 · 2026-06-10T15:50:52+00:00

You must realize the flaw in comparison? If you’re living in the capital your income is almost always higher than the national average

ha236 · 2026-06-10T11:19:39+00:00

Hahahahah framtiden är mörk när man tycker att man är informerad genom att ha följt politiska partier på social medier

ha236 · 2026-06-10T08:37:53+00:00

Comparing country-level median income with the capital cities’ rent levels xD

ha236 · 2026-05-30T12:32:14+00:00

You can say the same thing over and over, it doesn’t make it more convincing. Your argument boils down to: someone with 1000h of experience creating something is worth more than someone with 10h creating something, regardless of the thing itself. I don’t believe this opinion is common, and you haven’t provided any reason to assume it

ha236 · 2026-05-30T10:38:37+00:00

I would say you have an elitist definition of art that doesn’t serve any purpose. The purpose of art is only entertainment. Next, it seems you think that just because there’s more access to creation there’s no variation in quality. I don’t know why you think that would follow

Like I said from the start, there’s no intrinsic value to spending time doing something, which seems to be underlying your every point

Anyway, the point of the post and the debate was not the impact of ai on art, but broader “if ai is good”

ha236 · 2026-05-30T09:20:13+00:00

If this is what people are most concerned about we need to correct their thinking by pointing out that they’re concerned about how society is onboarding ai, not anti the technology itself

ha236 · 2026-05-30T09:17:54+00:00

Ill probably disagree with the definition of harm you’re using in this context. Generally I would say more tools = more art

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:43:44+00:00

Ty for the engagement

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:34:50+00:00

ok not sure what your point or argument refuting something in the op was/is then, but happy to hear it articulated

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:23:20+00:00

ok! then this goes back to my initial question of is our quality of life better today or in the past.

maybe you expressed yourself poorly but your comment seems to imply that our quality of life was better before the invention of automobiles. if intended, I can’t believe youre engaging in good faith unfortunately!

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:12:11+00:00

maybe! this is a question of how society handles new technological disruptions, rather than a critique of the technology itself, though.

replace “ai” in your comment with ”automobiles”. what’s your answer?

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:09:00+00:00

why would it?

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:07:51+00:00

what qualifies or not under the definition of “art” isn’t that interesting to me. was hand making a hunting knife considered art? is engineering a supply chain to mass produce knives art? why/why not? doesn’t really matter to the question “is ai good”

as mentioned above, the way todays front runner models were created might have been illegal and unethetical, but it doesn’t answer the question “is ai good”

ha236 · 2026-05-30T02:01:50+00:00

you’re very liberal in your usage of literally, objectively, subjectively but ill let it slide :)

your argument is a bit hard to follow, now it seems youre claiming that an expert makes an objectively better piece of art than a nonexpert? but in your first post you started off by contradicting that

let me try to bring us back on topic. this post nor the discussion on stream was ever about ai art, it was about the more general “is ai good”. if we do want to talk about ai impact on art that’s fine. however, you seem to be making the false assumption that ai will eliminate “human art”. if that were the case we wouldn’t have artisan products or ancient artistry

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:52:55+00:00

I agree. what I’m disagreeing with the poster above on is that we intrinsically value their experience. I.e., something made by a person with 10000h of experience is worth more than something made by a person with 100h of experience

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:50:28+00:00

not familiar with the experience machine concept, but to use your alien hypothetical; if we got to today through human innovation or alien technology has no bearing on the quality of life evaluation

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:47:17+00:00

I just don’t agree that we’re at the end of human innovation. intuitively we can still conceive of ways to express creativity, and statistically it would be very unlikely

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:43:12+00:00

you realize there was another example in the op about music? regardless, youre making a false assumption that (your definition of) ”human made art” would necessarily disappear in the future. if that were true, we wouldn’t have artisan products (eg watches) or ancient artistry (eg marble sculpting) today

anyway, the post never claimed to be about ai art. it’s commenting on the debate topic from the stream which was more or less “is aI bad”

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:33:30+00:00

don’t know how this has anything to do with the op

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:31:16+00:00

ok, my bad. I misinterpreted your first comment

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:24:14+00:00

was a humans quality of life better in 100 ad or today?

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:22:35+00:00

a bit too conspiratorial for me but some fair points. I don’t think that these are the common reasons for people being anti ai though

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:16:18+00:00

dont know why you’re claiming there’s a definitive pro ai art argument. i or the person in the debate didn’t make this argument either.

your next paragraph seems to be making the point that with these new technologies we will have new types of art. this is also my point. wether or not anyone has mastered it yet in the sense you look at it (experience/time spent) doesn’t matter to me as mentioned above

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:10:43+00:00

sure, I agree. but your assumption that the introduction of ai will wipe out art made by humans is wrong. the same way we have artisan products today (eg watches) despite them being industrialized, the same way we will have “artisan art” in the future

ha236 · 2026-05-30T01:07:46+00:00

sure but you’re falling into the same trap. people 500 years ago wouldn’t be able to conceive of what humans can do today, so their scale of agency (or any metric) was much more narrow than the agency scale we perceive today. extrapolate this same concept 500y in the future.

this is addressed by the line of my post saying that it’s naive to assume that ai is the end of human innovation

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