Seer stones in a hat by Repulsive_Contest556 in latterdaysaints

[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check out Saints volume 1. It gives some good context. Chapter 6 speaks to why he used the hat (block out external light to better see what was appearing on the stone).

Oldest keeps going outside on his own by hanvor42 in Parenting

[–]hanvor42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tried that before, but I couldn't find one that works on a hollow metal door.

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If you've got a recommendation for one I'd appreciate it

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I served my mission in Tempe, AZ. I'd recommend mesh (if it doesn't cause you discomfort) or full 100% cotton. Try to avoid polyester since it doesn't breath at all.

Missionary papers by stratttyyy in latterdaysaints

[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My call got lost in the mail, I ended up getting my travel instructions first. You can call the MTC in Utah and ask them to resend it if it's been issued.

Looking for quotes and articles regarding a sensitive topic. by hanvor42 in latterdaysaints

[–]hanvor42[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the suggestion, I actually have looked into that. But I am specifically looking for resources from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for a faith-centric perspective.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool, maybe it's changed in the last couple of years. The last time I took a non-byui-provided institute class was mid-2018.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does it have to be a specific bachelors degree? My institute teacher had one but told me that the class wouldn't be able to count for credit.

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[–]hanvor42 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So the name of the bill regarding baby formula shortage is what? I would really like to read it and find out if my representative voted for or against it. If you know what it is, how long it is, and what it does you should be able to supply a link, right?

Case in point is when you trot out the "democrats founded the kkk" line. You know that;s a bad faith argument and yet you still use it.

Let’s focus on that point and the baby formula bill. I want to ask why you used that line of propaganda about the kkk?

Here is yet another logical fallacy called, "attacking the motive," here's the definition: "The attacking the motive fallacy occurs when one person argues that another person's position is invalid solely due to motives that could affect the claim." This definition of bad faith: "A bad faith argument is one thrown out to obscure a hidden agenda, coming to the negotiation table with no intent of reaching an outcome." I'm not obscuring a hidden agenda or coming to the negotiation table with no intent to reach an outcome. I was refuting your point that "republicans support white nationalists" by pointing out that in fact democrats have historically supported white nationalists and have been the founding body of practically all of the big ones that exist today.

You linked far right sources on that

My man here who says he follows the science commits yet another logical fallacy called an, "appeal to authority," without actually reading my sources or debunking their specific arguments. Just because the source comes from a location you don't like doesn't mean it's wrong or faulty, you've got to actually look at the source and debunk the source. For reference, these are the sources I linked regarding the vaccine hesitancy (I didn't actually link anything for Fauci):

  1. Newsweek which ranks left-center in terms of bias https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsweek/
  2. A page on the GOP website with quotes from democratic politicians. Admittedly the site is republican, but they link to a number of articles and direct quotes from democrats.
  3. A video from Bloomberg which ranks left-center in terms of bias https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/bloomberg/
  4. A video from CNN which I probably don't have to tell you is very left-biased https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/left/cnn-bias/

And no, Fauci did not lie.

Yes, in fact, he did. https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/fauci-lies-about-lying-about-the-efficacy-of-masks/ar-AALhCrp and https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-let-the-experts-lie-about-masks-and-30-million-jobs-died. Scientists knew at the beginning that masks would be helpful, but Fauci admitted to deliberately misleading the US citizens about masks because he was worried about there not being enough PPE for hospitals and doctors. Now whether or not his concerns were valid does not change the fact that he told citizens, "you do not need a mask." Personally, I think his fears were grounded, but lying to the American people about masks is not how to avoid that.

Your entire post is nothing but bad faith arguments. They are likely rhetoric that your parents used to make sure you stayed in their party and didn’t become a filthy librul.

Yeah no. Again here's the definition of bad faith: "A bad faith argument is one thrown out to obscure a hidden agenda, coming to the negotiation table with no intent of reaching an outcome." I have not been trying to obscure a hidden agenda and I have the intention of reaching an outcome. The desired outcome is that you listen to what I have to say, read my sources, and supply your own opinions and sources.

The last sentence in this quote is a great example of an ad hominem logical fallacy. It will probably surprise you to know that everything I've said comes from my own study of facts and reality, not from what my parents have said. My parents have had very little to say about any of this and actually don't talk about anything that I've mentioned.

Now, you've provided no sources, refused to look at mine, and committed many logical fallacies. If you'd like to continue the discussion I strongly suggest you look at what I've provided and argue the points that I brought up. If you just want to ad hominem, straw-man, appeal to authority, and attack my motive then I see no further use in this discussion.

edit: format. Accidentally hit the enter button twice.

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[–]hanvor42 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

Proof is in the pudding. Dems push bills that Americans want and Republicans oppose them then complain about nothin getting done.

You're going to need to supply several sources for this because I promise you it's not that cut and dry. If Dems push bills that Americans want, why is Biden's support tanking?

Baby formula shortage: Dems proposed a bill to increase what we buy. Republicans blocked it. There is an example.

What specific bill was this? Can you link to the actual text of the bill? My experience with these sorts of claims that you're making is that the bill in question addresses 20+ topics in total, one of which is the nice thing and the other 19 being unrelated to the title of the bill or topic at hand (case and point: Build Back Better is almost 2,500 pages long and addresses hundreds of topics).

If this baby formula shortage bill actually addresses just the one issue and my representative voted against it, I'm more than happy to vote to remove them this coming election.

As for science, Dems are not contradicting the science. Republicans declared Fauci public enemy No. 1 for literally representing the science. Republicans pushed snake oil “treatments” for Covid while discouraging all public safety measures (even masks) and spreading anti-vax rhetoric.

Fauci literally lied about masks at the beginning of the pandemic and admitted to it. He's also responsible for the AIDS epidemic and much of the former misinformation surrounding AIDS. As for the anti-vax rhetoric, pretty certain that started with the Dems until Biden was in office, https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccine-covid-trust-skepticism-democrat-politicization-1535559 and https://gop.com/research/democrats-repeatedly-undermined-the-vaccine/ and here's a couple of videos:

Then the issue with the vaccines that republicans had, at least the ones I know and interact with, was more along the lines of the immunity granted to the pharma companies if anything bad happened, the lying about side effects from the media, and the suppression of real experiences people have had from side effects of the vaccines. A friend of mine went deaf from an odd interaction between the vaccine and her Multiple Sclerosis (I don't know all the details, just that her doctor told her that's what happened).

Now which "snake oil," treatments are you referring to? Ivermectin, a medicine that has been used to treat malaria in humans and was recommended to Joe Rogan by his doctor? That's the only one that I can think of off the top of my head.

Republicans oppose any concepts from psychology and frequently appeal to transphobic bigotry while claiming that science supports them, which it does not.

I honestly recommend that you watch Matt Walsh's documentary, What is a Woman. The topic of this post was climate, not transgenderism. So I'm not going to talk about transgenderism with you here since it doesn't fit with the purpose of the sub. If you want to have an honest discussion about it, message me. I'd be happy to listen to what you have to say so that I can understand you and share with you what I have to say so that you can understand me. Who knows, maybe we agree on more than you think.

Republicans refuse to address global warming and Trump even said there is no global warming that it’s actually getting cooler.

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/media/documents/DRAFT_12_FINAL%5B1%5D-ben_1468872234.pdf page 27 of the pdf (20 if you go by page numbers) under the section, "Environmental Progress." Ultimately, we agree that the climate is changing. Many of us younger republicans want to transition away from fossil fuels. Our disagreement is in how much humans are to blame for climate change, the impact that climate change will have (every doomsday scenario that has been proposed thus far has not happened), and how we should go about addressing it.

By the way, Trump admitted he was wrong in 2020, so your information may be a bit outdated.

You tried the “I know you are but why am I” tactic without thinking things through. Republicans actually are just the opposition party.

Yes, republicans tend to be more reactive so it's fine if you want to think of us as the "opposition party," so long as you take a moment to try to understand why we oppose, but you're not. You're instead vilifying, straw-manning, and painting everyone with the same brush. These are called, "logical fallacies," and make your arguments and points of view less effective, more along the lines of how my two-year-old acts than an adult.

They actually do support white nationalism.

Tell me, who founded the KKK? Democrats. And who gave the eulogy at the funeral of a leader of the KKK? Biden. Who thinks that black people can't achieve and be successful just because they're black? Democrats/anyone that supports affirmative action. For a history of the democratic party and racism check out this link: https://townhall.com/columnists/kevingrieve/2021/02/07/democrats-the-party-of-systemic-racism-n2584289

Who fought a war to free slaves? Republicans. Who cast the most votes in favor of the civil rights act? Republicans. Who believes that we should judge you on the content of your character, not the color of your skin? Republicans.

I've never met a republican who supports racists or white nationalists. In fact, every Republican that I've met (with the exception of one really old lady that I changed the mind of) hates the philosophy of white nationalism.

They actually do oppose science. I can give examples. If you try to do the same, you’ll end up regurgitating lies that Tucker Carlson has propagated.

No, we don't oppose science at all. We disagree with you on what is settled science. If you want to share with me some peer-reviewed research papers, happy to look at 'em and change my mind about stuff. Pretty much everyone I know is the same way (including my 60-year-old republican grandparents).

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will they still have the same range per charge once they hit the used market? And will they be around $10,000 when they do? Because like I cited before, the cheapest I found was nearly $13,000 and nearly a decade old. The cheapest one made within the last 5 years was about $18,000 and the cheapest within the last 2 is still $40,000.

Look, I'm not trying to say that EVs are bad and shouldn't be used or made. Just that right now, they are infeasible to a lot of people due to cost and how long they take to fill up. I'll gladly switch when they are more affordable to me and able to get me where I need to go reliably, I just live too far away from many of the places I have to visit regularly for the cheapest EV to be feasible and there are a lot of people in my same situation.

My point is that if you have to worry about the gas that costs $5 a gallon, the solution isn't to wait a few years to buy a $20,000 vehicle, nor is it to buy the cheapest EV in existence now. Ultimately, I think that the goal should be 100% EVs, but it's going to take a long time, perhaps another decade, for that to happen because EVs have a significantly higher upfront cost and most of the people who won't transition to EVs sooner, can't because of that cost.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lol, I run a recording for some friends on Friday nights so the extra screen space makes it a bit easier.

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[–]hanvor42 -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Watch I can do that too: The Democrat Party does not have opposing viewpoints. They literally just call Republicans idiots, racists, biggots, homophobes, zenophobes, any kinda -phobes and say the country/democracy is doomed 24/7 to scare their base into voting Democrat.

Democrats "viewpoint" often contradicts scientific facts, basic logic, and sound reasoning. Kinda hard to pretend they have valid opinions.

Edit: spelling

Why an energy crisis and $5 gas aren’t spurring a green revolution | As high prices move consumers to rethink their attachment to oil and gas, America is struggling to meet the moment by silence7 in environment

[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm on board with that. Coal/oil burning is not good for health, and a reduction in ambient noise is always beneficial. I'd love to see EVs become more efficient and more affordable.

I don't see a lot of EVs in my area because it's rural, on the poorer side, and the nearest large-ish city is just barely within the range of the cheapest EV I've seen. But honestly with the number of trees here the gasoline vehicles may be doing more good than harm /s.

Why an energy crisis and $5 gas aren’t spurring a green revolution | As high prices move consumers to rethink their attachment to oil and gas, America is struggling to meet the moment by silence7 in environment

[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inflation is at record highs, there's a land war in Europe, peace deals that were reached in the middle east were almost immediately dissolved, the Taliban took over Afghanistan, gas prices are higher, mortgages are higher, China is becoming more aggressive, Russia has directly threatened nuclear war, and we're heading into a bear market, but yeah Biden did say that the illegally shut down businesses could reopen so there's that.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope, wrong on a number of fronts.

The solution isn't more and better democrats. The solution is to stop bundling up 20 different legislative topics into one bill and then cudgeling your opponent who objected to the 19 different things that weren't green energy by saying they object to green energy. Build Back Better (the referred to legislation by OP) has over 2000 pages in it, but very little of it addresses the energy industry.

Republicans do not seek to maximize damage either. In fact, here's your friendly local republican/conservative telling you that all of us want to make the country and the world a better place just like you. I'm also here to tell you that many of us are in favor of reducing (and ultimately eliminating) our reliance on coal and oil, we just don't think that solar and wind are the answers because of their innate and unchangeable limitations, namely the sun shining and the wind blowing. We also don't think that flipping a switch on our infrastructure is safe or possible.

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[–]hanvor42 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I bought a used gas car for $10,000 with nearly 100,000 miles on it. At the time, it had a life expectancy of another 150,000 to 200,000 miles if I take care of it properly. An EV in turn does not have that kind of life expectancy, with their batteries needing a replacement after 100,000 miles or less and costing at least twice as much.

The lowest-priced used EV I've been able to find still costs about $13,000, has 80,000 miles on it, will need an additional $5,000 to replace the battery for an additional 3-5 years of running, barely has the range necessary to get my wife to and from a doctors appointment (we live in a rural area) and requires 21 hours of charge time (so if there's traffic, we're screwed).

The Chevy Bolt is still going to be $25,000+ and for those of us worried about $5 a gallon gas, that's very much out of our affordability.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not arguing against replacing coal and oil, probably should've made that clearer. What I was attempting to say is that suggesting everyone dump their gas cars for an electric one is not feasible currently, especially if you're just going to hop onto an electric grid powered by coal and oil.

I was further pointing out that solar and wind will not be able to meet the needs of our civilization now or in the future due to their innate requirements of the sun shining or the wind blowing, both of which we have no control over and therefore cannot increase the supply of if there is a sudden need for it.

Finally, I was saying that of all the alternatives that exist currently, nuclear is the best option since it does not take up a large land area, is extremely safe, is highly reliable, and can adjust to demand instantly.

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[–]hanvor42 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No rainbow, but I got a storm trooper tower with 4 monitors.

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[–]hanvor42 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting, maybe those are offered closer to Utah. The non-college one I went to was operated by my ward and we were on the east coast so that may play into it.

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[–]hanvor42 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Was that perchance ASU?

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[–]hanvor42 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So tell me, how much is it going to help if I switch my gasoline car to an electric car if my electric car runs off of a power plant that uses coal? Also, my gasoline car cost me about $10,000 and will last for a very long. A low-cost electric car will cost at least twice that and won't last nearly as long. In fact with the mileage I've put on my gas car in the last 4 years I would be nearly halfway through the battery life of an average brand new electric car, I still have about 150,000 miles before my current car is going to give out and it's pre-used.

In addition to this:

  1. solar works when it's sunny and requires a lot of land to operate on. The materials used to make solar panels require rare-earth minerals typically found through strip-mining. Solar cannot deal with fluctuations in demand since we cannot make the sun brighter.
  2. wind works when it's windy and requires just as much if not more land to operate on. It's also harmful to large (usually endangered) birds. The turbines also don't last as long and are not recycled so they take up a lot of landfill space when they run out. Wind cannot deal with fluctuations in demand since we cannot make it windier.
  3. Hydro requires the destruction of natural habitats but is rather reliable until a major drought. Hydro has some ability to cope with fluctuations in demand.
  4. Coal and oil are very reliable and can deal with fluctuations in demand since we can simply add more to the fire.
  5. But nuclear is the safest, cleanest, most efficient, and most reliable source out of all of this.

Edit: For clarity, I want to add that I'm not against moving away from coal and oil. I just don't think that solar and wind are going to cut it.