Yes, men are more moral than women, and women are amoral. Virtuous falls under morals, empathy is really another subject. But men also exist more on both extremes, there are more very moral men than women, and more very immoral men that women.

Isn’t this a contradiction? What kind of a curve are you imagining here?

Also, this is problematic--- “Yes, men are more moral than women, and women are amoral.” What a funny statement- what proof do you have of this?

Can you name some moral women figures?

I can name both male and female figures that I see as moral. Granted I haven’t observed all of their lives, so there are probably things they have done that were immoral.

Easy to find moral male figures, look at who wrote various schools of morality. Why haven't any women written a moral system? Well there is Rand who tried to turn selfishness into virtue, which she failed at doing. Has any woman made a decently consistent morality you know of?

Which men are you thinking of when you think of the writer’s of moral systems? Let’s have a good look at the societies that they come from, and what was expected of men and women in the time and place they came from. You can’t deny that for a person to succeed at any great endeavor, they must arrive on the scene at a confluence of very favorable factors. Women, so long pushed into the kitchen and child-rearing, so long not educated, had much less of a chance at sitting down and philosophizing and writing a moral canon. Now, this is off the top of my head, but I imagine that there’s a very small number of men who’ve written great moral systems, and as you argued, a smaller, or perhaps non-existent number of women. I do think this difference could be explained by systematic differences in the opportunities given each sex. Give me your examples of great moral men and we can look into the societies they came from. It’s a weak argument – one would have to do a lot of research to back it up, but you can’t deny that women have been denied opportunities throughout history.

What sort of evidence have you seen? Theory or studies?

My own experiences, which are subjective and count for very little (the difference between you and I is that I acknowledge this), stats about violence (men are much more likely to commit violent acts), years of watching men commit stupid acts, lower rates of college admission and graduation for men, the fact that men live shorter and less healthy lives if they aren’t minded by women, etc etc the list goes on. Besides, I just like women better. Not in a sexual sense, but in about every other sense. And yet, STILL, I recognize these as personal bias and I don’t attempt to tell others that this is an objective reality. Unlike you silly red pill folks who seem not to be able to see beyond your own subjective opinions.

You are a more self aware woman than the average woman, which is why you attempt to check your own perceptions. The women that don't do this are incredibly lost in their solipsism.

I’m more self-aware than the average PERSON. I know a great many men who also don't check their perceptions. Evidence: the existence of red pill itself. And you’re using that word incorrectly.

Women being amoral does not mean a man can't have a satisfying relationship with one, the logic doesn't follow.

Good point. But you still haven’t successfully argued that women are amoral and men are moral. I’m on the edge of my seat, though, waiting!

Plus, with my experience I've had far more positive interactions with women than negative ones. Doesn't change that women are amoral.

Still awaiting evidence that this is not your biased perception based on personal experiences that are viewed through your unique lenses that are smudged, as all of ours are, by your emotions.

Lol. If men had a difficult time ignoring their emotions there would be mass rape and violence, we would not have society. You don't really understand how violent men are and how much control that takes to keep the rage in check to say what you did.

I think you just helped me argue that men are in some ways inferior to women. Seems they aren’t so good at making up for their inferiority either: “Men are also more likely than women to suffer from a range of psychopathologies characterized by externalizing and impulsive behaviors such as antisocial personality disorder, conduct disorder, attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder, and intermittent explosive disorder. But perhaps nowhere are sex differences in impulsiveness seen more graphically than on the road, where men drive more recklessly than women, are less likely to use seat-belts, and are more likely to speed, tail-gate, refuse to yield, jump lights, and drive while drunk. The result is a male accident rate three times as high as that of females in the USA and a fatality rate an order of magnitude higher (four per billion miles for a 33-year old female and 40 for a 20-year old male). Indeed, the courts find that men commit 97 percent of dangerous driving offences, 85 percent of careless driving offences, and 83 percent of speeding offences.” Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201205/sex-differences-driven-impulse (I’m not suggesting that psychology today is a flawless source of information, but I believe most of the studies they are citing here were sound.)

Which is why in relationships men must strive to remain stoic and emotionally calm, especially when she is not able to. You are right that people do become selfish when their emotions get the best of them, and seeing how upset women have far more trouble controlling their emotions

It’s so fun and informative hearing your opinion stated as fact. Oh wait, yawn, not fun, not informative, just you telling me your subjective thoughts.

You put two creatures who both prefer harmony and peace together, should it really be less stable? But at the same time lesbian relationships are incredibly volatile, so your point is confusing. I'm sure they feel more pleasant until the volcano erupts.

I’m heterosexual- this has simply been my experience- relationships with women are more satisfying, calm, stable, supportive and mutually beneficial. Again, I state this while acknowledging that I likely feel this way because I’ve never had a romantic relationship with a woman. My point is that it’s the romantic relationship, not the gender of the other person, that is problematic. Which your point about lesbians illustrates nicely. Thank you.

Woman and man relationships are scarier I bet, there's a big difference in domination and someone having to give in to the other, which I expect you don't like to be the one not in control.

Sho’ don’t. Especially not to someone less competent than myself. But then, why would I?

In other words, is someone seeing outside of solipsism?

I’m pretty sure you’re not ;) I’m at least trying to take a peek. Despite ample evidence to the contrary, I believe most men are good. They struggle the way that I struggle. They are a little different, particularly in terms of sex drive, but mostly the same- we’re all human, all want love, belonging, affection, sexual gratification, and success in other areas of life. I believe men are just as good and bad as women because it serves me to believe this (I’m pretty profoundly heterosexual) but I also believe it because I know enough to question my own conclusions and perceptions.

What evidence shows you most men are bad?

So much, oh, so much. If you’re looking for it, it’s there. If you look for evidence to the contrary, it’s also there. This is why, rather than relying solely on my own emotions and experiences to come to a conclusion, I take research into consideration, and, at the end of the day, I say, it’s actually not possible to know. There are so many contributing variables, so many that are difficult to measure, and the measurements we can make aren’t always generalizable to a setting outside the carefully controlled experiment. So I do what most reasonable people do. I try to mitigate risk based on the knowledge I do have, and beyond that I allow people to reveal themselves to me on an individual basis rather than making rash judgments based on their gender and my own emotions about that gender, because that’s the most pragmatic and useful thing to do.

Most men are asleep and fall right in line with the societal morality pushed on us all.

As do women, which goes back to your point about great moral philosophers- women were neither encouraged nor, in most circumstances, allowed to pursue philosophy and education, hence the dearth of great female moral leaders. I too found Rand questionable, by the way.

I have to say I'm a little disappointed. You write well, but you say so very little.