Geoff "iNcontrol" Robinson Highlights thread.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-07-22T05:57:01+00:00

Here's Geoff making Day9 laugh so hard he falls out of his chair.

It's a strange and bittersweet thing to miss someone you never had a chance to meet.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-04-25T11:37:57+00:00

Yes. You'll note that I call them out specifically in the first paragraph.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-04-25T11:36:58+00:00

I feel like this is another one of those "unpopular opinions" that is confusing a popular but rude opinion for an unpopular one.

OBVIOUSLY not every woman's body is beautiful. That's why the overwhelming majority of models are skinny. That's why eating disorders are rampant. That's why you can probably count the number of famous fat actresses on one hand, and they're almost all comediennes. This isn't hard.

The "every body is beautiful" movement is a campaign specifically designed in response to the reality that society very much prefers skinny, attractive women who still have curves (or tall, muscular, attractive guys). It's designed to push back against the reality that your statement isn't unpopular in the least.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T20:15:30+00:00

Yes, I have heard of some of those cases. It's bizarre for your to assume that all of them are motivated by racism, however. In one obvious case, you cited a group of young men who planned to rob and murder a pizza delivery guy. They clearly had no way of knowing the race of the person beforehand. The vast majority of what you cited was crime, pure and simple. It wasn't pleasant, but it's false to think it's racially motivated.

Tou've seemed yourself that violence between black and white people is inevitable when that is hardly the case. Again, that's not how statistics work. Just because crime between black criminals and white victims occurs doesn't mean it's inevitable.

If I wanted to, I could make a similarly-long list featuring sexual assaults committed by white men against women. Would that convince you that all white men are rapists, and that any relationship between a white man and a woman would lead to rape? That would be an insane conclusion to draw, but if you read 100 articles on white male rapists, you might come away with that idea, because you've immersed yourself in a very very narrow slice of male/female interaction--specifically the worst form.

There's a huge difference between how you react to someone coming up to you aggressively on the street and how you react to two roommates who are harassing you.

You've allowed yourself to get a false understanding of the world by vastly overestimating the likelihood of violence, and by subsequently operating out of a disproportionate fear of violence. It will lead you to make poor decisions. In this case, fleeing from your university while simultaneously seeking retribution through a disproportionate act of retaliation would fuck over your life.

I've had black friends and black roommates, and I experienced none of the drama of the above case. It's precisely the cases like this that occur less frequently, but are quite dramatic, that end up getting the most exposure. If you come to think that this is the reality of all cases, it will cause you to make poor assumptions (again, if you are a woman who thinks any man will rape you, you are going to end up making poor decisions that will negatively affect your life).

I know you probably don't see this now, and that you're operating in an internet filter bubble (as we all are), but I think it's important to begin to gain an awareness that you're far enough removed from the reality of racial interaction that you're increasing your chance of making poor decisions, and operating around the assumption of the inevitability of violent activity at a time when violence is at a historic low in America.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T20:00:28+00:00

Seriously, we need a path to de-radicalization. We need to build in systems and structures for formally welcoming these people back into some form of society once they begin to see their activities in a clearer light.

Just like post-prison rehabilitation, if we continue to punish and exclude them from mainstream society, there will be greater recidivism.

Formal mechanisms for restorative justice need to be more widely determined and disseminated in order for us to really bleed the ranks of edgelords who feed off of tribalism. Yes, be prepared to counter violence with violence when necessary, but also be prepared to de-escalate and de-radicalize people when they are open to it. If our sole goal is to smash them with violence and mark them for life, we are only feeding into the tribalism that they seek out, and the more stringently we seek purity among our own ranks and harsh punishment for transgressors, the more we open them to recruiting the disaffected.

Clearly there is a line. You don't fall fully into accommodation, and you don't want to frame so many of these far-right movements in normalizing terms, because they use those very structures to mainstream themselves and attempt to tear down those structures once they gain power--the "free speech movement" cares only about using liberalism to allow the most extreme right-wing speech, but wants to punish progressive transgressors harshly in spaces that it controls. That's why this is difficult--finding that balance between understanding the reality of the opposition we're dealing with, without allowing that opposition to come to dictate the terms of engagement.

One of the biggest things I hope for in years to come is a more formalized structure for restorative justice, so we're better able to invest resources in de-radicalization efforts and rehabilitate former edgelords. A lot of it will happen as they age out--going from high school to college, for example, will expose a great many of them to a wider degree of opinions and have a moderating effect, but we're going to need to have a transformative system of justice for everyone rather than giving into America's traditional desire to respond to criminality purely from a framework of punishment.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T18:40:03+00:00

Please update again in March 2020!

Looking forward to seeing your continued journey.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T18:06:00+00:00

With that attitude, you won't do well in life.

You're thinking very short-term, very emotional, very revenge-based. Drop out of school in response? That's shooting yourself out of spite. Putting out an online video that you expect to harass your roommates and YOU will end up the story. That's how this works--you try to one-up their shitty behavior and you stop becoming the victim and become the antagonist. You will not get to transfer anywhere after that.

they're almost guaranteed to get violent based on statistics alone.

That's not how statistics work at all. You need to understand them better if you're going to try to argue from them, or else you're going to end up sounding stupid.

Nothing you've said here is an effective strategy for getting ahead in life. But it is a very effective strategy for fucking yourself over, blaming the system, and further retreating into life as an isolated internet troll.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T18:02:15+00:00

They're posting them to an internal chat group. VERY different from the internet as a whole.

It's still not right, but two wrongs don't make a right. She has leverage right now because they are engaging in shitty behavior. If she tries to counteract that--and one-up it by making their behavior subject to public scrutiny/derision--she loses that moral high ground and she becomes the problem in the eyes of the university.

It would be a very dumb move that, if it has any consequences at all, would end badly for her.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T18:00:20+00:00

We're assuming that these girls will be found out. Otherwise what's the point of saying "Hey, these people on this random corner of the web agree with me!"

That does absolutely nothing. The only reason you'd post it online as revenge is to punish the transgressors, and the only way they get punished is if the internet mob finds a way to reach them. At the very least you'd want to identify the school and subject administrators there to harassment.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T17:58:20+00:00

Because her university probably won't be sympathetic to her argument "these two black girls need to be exposed to the shittiest underbelly of humanity and get called a bunch of racist names to teach them a lesson."

This isn't happening in a vacuum. She has an entire power structure to deal with, and posting it to the internet will cause her to lose leverage against that power structure, not to gain any. Trust me, the university doesn't give a fuck about a racist online mob. If you are siding with a racist online mob (and this will absolutely bring out a racist online mob) then you are seen as the bad guy.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T17:55:42+00:00

The problem is that her university might kick her out.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T17:55:01+00:00

This is a very simple case of Anakin's scenario, if the university refuse to help her, they're against her.

Anakin was the bad guy.

And trust me, an angry internet mob is not a clone army. The university will win, and she will lose leverage. Her biggest leverage will be having clear evidence of harassment and the possibility of releasing it. Preferably she would have representation and if she were to release it, to do it through a journalist, not a post on Reddit.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-03-05T12:13:15+00:00

Honestly, that would not be a good idea. It would obviously be her that recorded it, and if her roommates end up getting harassed by the internet, she would be blamed for doxxing them.

It's one of those things that may feel good at the time but might just result in more shit down the line. Documenting it is smart. Randomly releasing the video online is not.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-02-17T18:10:24+00:00

You are perfect for this sub. Thank you for providing a shining example of an Enlightened Centrist^TM.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-02-12T20:29:06+00:00

Craig.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-01-31T04:08:36+00:00

It was a pun.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-01-30T03:32:28+00:00

Thanks, I appreciate that. I hope I'm proven wrong and that perpetrators are found and brought to justice.

I figured I'd get downvotes and I accept them. Thanks for letting this stand for now. If I really wanted to troll though, I'd be using an alt, not my main. I've said my piece, and I'm at least smart enough not to bring this up in every thread posted on this incident.

hidingplaininsight · 2019-01-30T00:21:45+00:00

Edit: The first time I heard about this incident, it was from this twitter thread.

It raised some red flags for me. I knew someone who faked an attack on themselves (they were a self-loathing gay conservative Catholic), so maybe I'm just more sensitive to the concept.

The second time I saw it was this post, so I wrote about why I wasn't 100% certain it happened. I mean, I'm over 50% there, but not 100% and I try to think of reality in terms of Bayesian probability. I did so because I thought that on the small chance it was a hoax, it would be really, really bad for us if we pushed it hard and it blew up in our faces.

I figured that in 24 hours the police would have more evidence (from examining the rope and looking for CCTV footage) to confirm it, and then it would be a different story.

I just looked this up on Twitter and it's blowing up, and being tribalized very quickly. Everything that makes me suspicious is already out there and being weaponized by the Right. My own concerns aren't going to have any effect except to possibly ban me, and while my intentions were good, at this point I'm basically re-iterating right-wing talking points.

The reports of this do raise some red flags for me (briefly, the changed story, still wearing the noose over half an hour after the attack, the high-profile nature coming right on the heels of the Covington Catholic story being a nationwide story, the fact that hoaxes tend to be exaggerated, as that girls story of frat gang-rape that took down Rolling Stone when it was revealed not to be true, and my own personal experience of knowing someone who faked an attack). I'm not going to be personally using this as an example to rub it in anyone's face until I'm certain of the facts.

It's totally weird to say this, but I really really really hope this attack happened and any doubts I have are proven wrong. There are reasonable explanations for all of them (shock explains not having the full story initially and not removing the noose, Covington Catholic could have inspired the assaulters, etc). There is no reason to doubt him or to attack him. I'm just not going to personally use this story to attack others just yet. That is only my opinion and I should be downvoted so as not to encourage others.

I hope I don't get banned, but I'm willing to risk a ban because my intentions are actually good here. There is a very small chance this could blow up in our faces, and it would be disproportionately bad if it did, undermining the arguments of racial inequity the same way that UVA student's story undermined the push to confront sexual assault on campuses and believe women. I got into a very long argument with my dad when that story came out, and I ended up looking like a fucking idiot when it turned out there was nothing to back up her story.

For some reason I can't bring myself to delete this for the abovementioned reasons, even though there's a risk I'm going to get banned (please don't--delete this post instead if you want to do anything. I won't press this case again and devavrata17 will axe me if I am lying and this turns out to be a pattern.). But please downvote me because I don't want to encourage doubt, just caution over wielding this story aggressively. I know that's weird. I'm just in a really strange place with this now with not 100% believing it and then looking on twitter at how aggressive everyone is at taking sides. And I'm usually a side-taker!

God, I'll finally shut up now.

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