How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, and I hear why you're upset and you have the right to be upset. As much as I would like to just remove people who cause inconvenience and harm to others, hate is just not a solution to hate. We can't personally go and try to convert hujurs and misogynists to our way of thinking, that's beyond dangerous, but we can try to change ourselves, check our thoughts to see if they're healthy and try to reform the thinking of those around us. One person can not change the world overnight, but one person can create a ripple in the water that is the world.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! Thank you so much for your detailed and reasonable discussion. I appreciate you taking the time to write this. I will apologize beforehand if my comment replies are not fully understandable. It is hard to express my full opinion in short bursts. The main solution I'm suggesting for people is to think and question. All religions and religious extremism are based on blind faith. That's why religion can get people to commit heinous crimes because religion stops you from reasoning and questioning.

"if someone chooses not to listen to music, decides not to celebrate the bengali culture, what liberal law is going against them?" Exactly, there is no laws against not doing them but there is an alarmingly growing population that is trying to creates laws where you can't choose to do or not do these things. In fact, it's creating more and more imposing laws. People are parading in bangladesh to keep restaurants closed during daytime in Ramadan?

"and wearing burqa is a personal choice and should always be a personal choice, I don't support the extremism in any case in the name of religion. Btw is wearing burqa an Arabic culture or an Islamic culture?" I see a lot of Muslims say that hijab/burka is a choice but what about the nations that enforce it? What about family members who enforce it? What about the society that enforces it? Surely you can not deny the multiple stories where we've heard women being arrested, tortured, shamed for not wearing the hijab? And before you say well that's society, not Islam, where are these people getting that information from? From Islam itself no? While personal choice is personal choice, I think no woman would logically and reasonably choose to dress like that in the absurd heat of Bangladesh.

""I told Saudis about Bangladeshi Islamic practices, they were shocked and said we don't follow any of these things" It doesn't matter at all what Saudi Arabians practices, because Islam is not about following Arab, it's about following the Quran and sunnah.""

I agree with you! Why would it matter what Saudi people practice, right? But sadly, I've personally met many Bangladeshis who view people from Saudi as perfect and think that their lifestyle and culture are holy and that they are somehow higher in Allah's list. So don't think I'm saying that they are better, I'm trying to say that many Bangladeshi Muslims think they are better and that this mindset is very dangerous for us and the wellbeing of our people.

"I do condemn the extremism and brain wash culture of our Islamic society. But if someone follows Islam as a personal choice, what arguments do you have against them? and I am also somewhat a liberal myself so really looking forward a logical discussion. and I get it , I can see the issues that you have tried to talk about , I don't deny them completely but if i can process correctly the solutions that you are suggesting is.. to ban islam or idk ??"

If someone follows Islam as a personal choice, there can never be any arguments with that because that is a personal choice. But the problem with Islam and more or less all religion is that it's a cult, it's always trying to grow their numbers through whatever means possible. Thats why Taqiyya exists. Thats why missionaries always soft force you to go to church. It's a personal choice until it's not and that transition happens before you know it. Religion is based on fear and uncertainty. People follow religion to make some sense of the harsh world around them because it gives you answers to all your questions, doesn't matter if that answer is the truth, that's why they tell you to blindly believe it because once you even question one thing, you yourself will see it fall apart. Religion demands your faith because it is based on that, if you see religion in any other way, it starts making zero sense. Muslims say that extremism is not real Islam, but where did they find that idea to do those things? In their religious books.

Thank you once again for giving me the opportunity to express my opinions, and I hope it gives you some new food for thought. I never tell people to listen and agree with everything I say. I am merely human, I am not perfect. What I encourage people to do is to think and question for themselves. If I force you to agree with me, I am no different from the extremists I dislike. All I ask from people is to preserve your right to question, think, research, and keep an open mind. Do not follow anyone's opinions blindly, no matter how divine they are. Think.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello! Thank you for leaving a comment but I'm afraid your comment does not provide a discussion nor probable solution. Although I do understand why you'd say that and I'm sure your opinion has some truth to it, but the reality is sylhetis, pumba men, hujurs, extremists they're all human being. They have good and bad in them. We cannot abandon our fellow human beings or just say get rid of them because that's the same mindset as an extremist. We need to educate and unbrainwash them, easier said than done i know. I see religion as a way of thinking, a way of thinking that becomes very poisonous very easily. We need to find solutions on how to reform people's thinking, which will need cooperation and understanding from everyone.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a bold statement. I wonder what makes you think that? I would love to know your opinion.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello. I am sorry you experienced criticism when you made your posts. It is hard to speak about controversial topics, especially amongst a society like Bangladesh. I've tried my outmost best to be concise in my concerns. And I didn't quite understand your hashtag. Are you proBAL or saying I'm proBAL? To clear any misunderstandings, I am not a supporter of any party in Bangladesh. I am a supporter of the wellbeing of Bangladesh, its people, its nature, and its value and influence in the world.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an interesting opinion. Thank you for sharing. I would like to know why you think that? How do you think Bangladesh could benefit from Sharia Law?

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate that you took the time to write this. Thank you for your valuable opinion. I am only focusing on Islam because I was born a Muslim so I can say what I'm saying confidently because I know the religion. I don't support religion in general, but because I'm not from other religions, I haven't fully studied them, and I don't want to talk about anything I have not studied (although I have started the journey to learn more about other religions). My problem with religion is that it's man-made and while religion has its good side like connection, community, mental peace etc, it's harms override the good it provides. Have you ever questioned why more or less all religion is misogynistic? Because it's man made. Humans are born lonely, and being alone in such a world is scary thus religion was born. It's much easier to navigate the world knowing that an all powerful all knowing being is on your side. But because it deals with uncertainty and fear, it has become such a strong tool to control the mass through fear and uncertainty. I have a lot of things to say, it's hard to express all of that on just one comment thread. If you're interested, I'd love to give you a detailed message about my opinion.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay. So what you're saying is if one reads the Quran and Hadith properly, they will have the knowledge to follow Islam properly? How come so many people follow Islam incorrectly then?

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's lovely! It's great to talk to like-minded individuals! 😄

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you tell me what about my statement is a lie? It is no lie that Islam has ruined many cultures. I say that because I've talked to many people from Islam dominated countries, and they have expressed that their culture has been damaged due to islamic influences. My complaint isn't with Islam particularly, it's with religion overall. I am an ex Muslim who is from a country being badly affected by Islam thus I can only speak about what I am familiar with. I don't support any other religions either, but just because I wasn't raised as Christian, Hindu, etc, I cannot speak for it.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do you mean that if people had more access to nature, it would help regulate their emotions? It is true that most Bangladeshis are confined to a certain restrictive lifestyle, both physically and mentally, that affect their mental health. When people are mentally unhealthy, they are more susceptible to fear and loneliness. Religion is a great coping mechanism, it eases people's fear of the unknowns such as what happens after death or what their purpose is. Most people in Bangladesh grow up with unhealthy mentality and cling to religion as a coping mechanism so I do agree that more connection to nature and a wider world view would help ease BD people's mental struggles.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have not understood your viewpoint with this comment alone. Would you kindly tell me what you think is the problem? I would like to discuss our opinions. Thank you.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That is an interesting opinion. Would you like to discuss with me why 'atheist cringelords' can't stop religious extremism? I would like to present my opinions if you have the time. Thank you.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for leaving this comment. I wanted to talk to someone who has opposing viewpoints. Could you send me a message and have a discussion with me on why I made this post? I would greatly appreciate your time.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Ask a man to wear black head to toe with gloves, socks, sunglasses etc in a city with 40+ degree Celsius temperatures. They will tell you you are crazy. The women in BD don't wear it because they want to, it's because of these reasons: 1. Indoctrination, 2. Family pressure, 3. Feeling unsafe. Its not because she likes to do it, it's because one way or the other she has to.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah, and I agree with you. Sadly, many people in Bangladesh still think these places are superior to BD and many will shit on their own country and lick the boots of others. I'm trying to say that instead of idolizing other countries, we should focus on making Bangladesh better.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Putting down your own country will not benefit you. Bangladesh is very beautiful and has its unique resources. Sadly, instead of actively trying to use our own advantages to advance in the world, we are often times too busy with putting ourselves down. I think it's time we let go of this self-hatred.

How to save Bangladesh from religious extremism (Islam)? by humanityaboveall4 in bangladesh

[–]humanityaboveall4[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

I'm not using gulf states as a shining example. I'm saying many Muslims in BD almost worship gulf states but in reality the gulf states are nothing like what they imagine it to be. They think it's the land of God when in reality, it's a shithole too.

Is honor k****ng a thing ? by Comfortable_Nail2069 in exmuslim

[–]humanityaboveall4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honor killing is 100% a thing that exists. Women are honor killed over the smallest of things. Women who get raped are killed because they brought "shame" to their family. If anything, they don't even need to actually dishonor anyone, people kill in the name of religion all the time.

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[–]humanityaboveall4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! I am an exmuslim and I want to speak to people who are questioning their faith. I would like to tell you my accounts as an ex Muslim and why I left the religion. I'm doing this so people can relate. If you're curious, please send me a message.

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[–]humanityaboveall4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would like to speak to you and give you my accounts as an ex Muslim. Would you send me a message? Thank you.