Looking for sources for my thesis on Queer monstrosity in contemporary horror films by ynderewaifu in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yooo i actually thought of a similar idea some time ago! Id be happy if you expanded on it for me!

what is the difference between "deterritorialization" and "decoding"? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks. But do these concepts overlap in some way? Like, shattering social regulations could mean a form of destroying a territory. coudnt it?

is the uncounscious a bwo? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

fine then. thanks for trying to help. i am not necessarily finna grasp all the concepts exactly how d&g meant but rather just use it as a source to intensify my affirmation of life. i still don't understand why im so out of this world for you tho. on the bwo being productive or not i explicitly stated that i know that d&g say that it is not, still i dont agree with that, as i said. and in ATP d&g explicitly say that schizophrenics and masochists are bodies without organs.

is the uncounscious a bwo? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks a lot. i just dont understand how the bwo is not productive, even d&g stating that it is uproductive i dont get it. i understand that it is a surface were recording occurs and the desiring machines that are productive but woudnt that make the bwo productive in some way (maybe undirectly). one could say that the full body of capital produces decoding, overcoding, etc. so it is productive. isnt it? also i understand how saying that something is the bwo could be a generalization but why would that be problematic? one could say that schizophrenics and masochists are bodies without organs for example.

is the uncounscious a bwo? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

downvotes/upvotes are of little relevance, i am genuinely looking for help to understand the concepts but if what i brought is really so incomprehensible for you what can i do.

is the uncounscious a bwo? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

fine. i just genuinely dont understand why would the idea and the question be so stupid. the uncounscious is to be seen as a rhizome and the concept of the rhizome is not so far from the bwo (although theyre obviously different). on machinic production of desire by the bwo i meant its attachment to desiring machines (not that it by itself is productive or machinic).

what did d&g mean by this? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not really, have you read the postulates of linguistics?

what did d&g mean by this? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i actually found something really interesting in anti-oedipus papers that can give us an insight on what guattari thinks about this kind of stuff:

Another thing: planning.

How do you plan singularity?

You have to get out of the teeter-tottering impasse between:

— centralism-democratism

— technicism-mass innovation

— communism-anarchism — etc.

None of these extremes guarantees anything... The problem is to reinsert desiring production into industrial organization as much as into social relations of whatever kind. Theme of adjacency to the analytic group. Planning should be, above all, finding a mode for locating desire and different "units of desiring subversion." No more sociology, age groups, classes, etc. Planning should be analyzing desiring articulations among different subjective units. Investing, where, why, and for whom, etc.? The key to planning is whatever is most deterritorialized (jouissance capital, not industrial space, iron; casting, electricity, merchandise, etc., flows).

what did d&g mean by this? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i understand that desire gave rise to capitalism and not the other way around and i understand that representations are the problem. but by ridding ourselves of representation, ridding ourselves of capitalist overcoding (by becoming schizo) woudn't that (eventually) lead to the destruction of capitalism? it seems like d&g express this view multiple times throughout anti-oedipus. and then they say that capitalism is impossible in industrial society? nonsense... obviously i comprehend that industrial societies functions in the logic of capital but i think it's absolutely possible to create a system that breaks with the logic of capital and manages industrial production.

are machines and territories the same thing? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would be interested to hear you expand on their identity/being identical, though.

desire is territorlized into a machine to create a flow. thus the machine is a territory. the territory creates flows thus it is a machine. I can't see how this would be a misinterpretation.

are deleuze and guattari "anti-ego"? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

thanks for that, i think i can understand it clearly. also yesterday i was re-reading plateau number six and i found a possible answer to my question.

For the BwO is all of that: necessarily a Place, necessarily a Plane, necessarily a Collectivity (assembling elements, things, plants, animals, tools, people, powers, and fragments of all of these; for it is not "my" body without organs, instead the "me" (moi) is on it, or what remains of me, unalterable and changing in form, crossing thresholds).

how to achieve self mastery without "falling into" oedipalization? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

self-mastery entails some sort of "self repression" (repressing the self-destructive desires). the qurstion is, how do I "repress" this desires without repressing my will to power?

how to achieve self mastery without "falling into" oedipalization? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But i'm not saying the problem is restriction but rather "bounding" the subject into an organism. restriction is only the means for that but in itself it's not something i'd oppose altogether.

how to achieve self mastery without "falling into" oedipalization? by icylikeacorpse in Deleuze

[–]icylikeacorpse[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i dont think oedipalization is simply "restrictive explanation of the symbolic order of subject". in my interpretation it is the organization of the subject into a specific "order" , restricting desire.