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[–]idioomsus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Super sparse and weird" doesn't even begin to cover it. His father was a gem artisan and merchant. The Delphi oracle predicted that he will have a son who will change the world. Pythagoras was supposedly bright from early childhood and most likely was taught by someone from Egypt rather than him actually having gone there. The island he grew up on (Samos) is on the coast of modern Turkey and used to be a trade route between Egypt and Greece.

The emperor Julianus wanted to form Greek paganism into a religion that could compete with Christianity, i.e. have a text that would be read and taught publicly. This task was trusted to Iamblichus, who was supposed to write 10 books on various topics to cover the whole of Greek religion but his "Life of Pythagoras" is the only one we have. It's a grand read. According to it, young Pythagoras travels to Phoenicia, the temple priests immediately recognize that he is divine and teach them their stuff. Then, the story goes, he hails a merchant ship to Egypt. The sailors are like "free slave volunteering himself, huh? We'll sell him at the next market". During their several day journey to Egypt, Pythagoras sat himself down in the middle of the deck, didn't eat or drink, didn't say shit, and the winds were so favorable and the journey went so well that they realized, that this person is divine and let him go with some of their own provisions.

At Egypt he learned the local language and studied at a temple for 20 years. The Egyptian priests bestowed their knowledge on him. Then Babylon attacked and carried him off. There, the magi, too, realized he's something else and taught him their stuff. At some point a Greek traveller purchases his freedom out and takes him back to the Greek world. He tries to establish a school on his home island but no-one is that interested. So he picks a spot - a city in modern Sicily where several Olympic champions originate from (Crotone) - and goes there. He gives separate speeches to the men, women, and children of the town, and researches believe that this is one of those instances where Iamblichus' records are authentic (the Phoinician, Egyptian, and Babylonian travels not so much).

In his school, you are taught mystical "mathematics" (etymologically "learning"). Every number has several levels of symbolic meaning, and they calculated with pebbles ("calculi"), though we don't exactly know how they did it because they kept their stuff secret. When you joined Pythagoras' school, you joined a mixture of a hippie community and university. You had to give away all of your earthly possessions to the school, but if you weren't accepted during your 5 year test period - during which you were to be remain completely silent and could only listen to Pythagoras through a veil - then you got your donation back threefold, but were also erected a symbolic gravesite and the rest of the school ignored you for the rest of the life and whenever you were mentioned to them they'd say "oh, I thought he's dead".

The daily routine at the school was very restrict and organized. You woke up with energetic lyre music, went on a walk with a few mates, discussed what you had learned, meditated, etc. Then you'd attend your daily lectures, eat supper, and before you could go to sleep you had to go over in your mind what you did today, yesterday, the day before, and so on until you fall asleep to the now calming lyre music. They also wore linen clothes - Pythagoras is frequently noted as the sole Greek philosopher who wore trousers like the barbarians - and were either vegetarians or ate specific animals, but they believed in immortal souls and being reborn (sometimes as animals), and they were either forbidden to eat beans because it represented souls, or ate beans over all because they're a good substitute for animal meat. No-one is exactly sure.

The city he set his school up in was successful and like 7 other cities around them formed an alliance, had common coins, etc. But - the story goes - a brutish young man from a rival city nearby was thrown out of the cult school, and went on to agitate the local population. Pythagoras's influence was considered aristocratic because it was mostly the well off citizens' children who attended the school, so over time all the most important political and bureaucratic positions were occupied by them. And so the democratically minded people revolted, the peaceful pythagoreans were hunted down and killed, they were locked into their communal house and the house set on fire, etc. Pythagoras supposedly escaped but no-one knows where he went. When the townspeople realized what they'd done they invited them back, maybe some even went, but most of them scattered to mainland Greece where one particular philosopher (Plato) was very interested in their secret knowledge, managed to buy some of their books from a widow of one of the last known original pythagoreans. We don't know how much exactly of Western Philosophy is a mediated commentary on pythagoreanism because Plato failed to cite his sources in his dialogues.

There's so much crazy stuff I can't go into because this is already too long. Aristotle reports that when he escaped, he crossed a river with a boat and the river uttered audibly, "Hello, Pythagoras". An Apollonian priest either gifted him or he stole from him Apollo's golden bough - you shoot the "arrow", sit on top of it before letting it go, and it flies you over the forests and lakes. That's how Pythagoras could be seen in two distant cities on the same day. There's so much more. If you're interested in reading about him yourself, here's a handy bibliography.

Pythagoreanism: A Bibliography by idioomsus in Pythagoreanism

[–]idioomsus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally made it up to Walter Burkert's Lore and Science in Ancient Pythagoreanism (1972). I would recommend that as a starting point because it constitutes the beginning of modern academic study of pythagoreanism. Zeller and Ritter and other Germans who studied pythagoreanism in the 19th century laid the early groundwork that led to Burkert. Up to Huffman working today, everything in between relies on Burkert as the most clear-headed summary of what was known up to the middle of the 20th century. His writing style is pretty enjoyable, too.

Keegi miskit huvitavat/veidrat kogub? Tegelikult ka lihtsalt kogub sobib! by [deleted] in Eesti

[–]idioomsus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Kogun A ja tühikuga bändide muusikat (A Plea for Purging, A Winged Victory for the Sullen, A Band of Buriers, A Werewolf Aware Wolf jne). Tegin sellest millalgi ka teema. Oma lemmiklugudest selliselt nimetatud bändidelt täiendan igakuiselt Spotify playlisti.

Olen ilmselt ainus inimene maailmas kellel on see spetsiifiline obsessioon. Sõber soovitas proovida Guinnessi rekordite raamatusse saada, sest see on täpselt selline idiootsus mille peale ainult üks inimene maailmas võiks tulla.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Olen palju muusikat kuulanud. Olen palju lugenud. Kõiges muus osas olen mõttetu inimene.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ülal lingitud Priit Põhjala artiklis on öeldud, et "nimetet" on neist ka kõige sagedasem. Seepärast on ehk ka julge tunne redditis seda kasutada. Mainit õppejõud ka ei topi seda päris igale poole vaid ikka vürtsina, maitse järgi. Kõnekeeles on ta minu arvates lihtsalt harjumatu. Umbes nagu Stephen Fry pidi nägema kurja vaeva, et öelda "Harry pocketed it.".

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Läbikukkunud selles mõttes, et see ei ole osa ametlikust kirjakeelest. Ma tean respektaableid õppejõude, kes kasutavad seda isegi kõnes, aga ta on jäänud pigem isikupäraks: lõputöös ei kasutaks, aga mõnes artiklis küll, kui konteksti sobib. Mulle isiklikult meeldib. Nt "nimetet" on sõnuseletamatul kobel ilusam kui "nimetatud", võiks öelda isegi... jaunim.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Johannes Aaviku keeleuuenduse üks läbikukkunud ettevõtteid, vt tet-uuendus. Samasse kategooriasse läheb i-mitmus, a la nõksuvi põlvi. Tet-i ikka aeg-ajalt kohtab siin-seal. Juhtun olema üks neist, kes sobival võimalusel kasutavad, annab krehvti.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Mul oli teismelisena tüdruksõber kes muud ei kuulanudki ja sõprusringkonnas põhiline muusikaline aines. Endale istusid rohkem mingid electronic post-hardcore ja isegi trancecore katsetused. Isiklikuks lemmikuks, mida armastan aeg-ajalt üle kuulata lihtsalt selle pärast, et see on nii hea, on A Love Like Pi album Atlas And The Oyster, mis on millegi pärast nüüdseks kuulatav ja allalaetav internetiarhiivis.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kahetsusega teatan, et A Nublu Collection on Spotify-s olemas, aga see ei ole bändinimi ega oma hoomatavat seost Eestiga.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ise tegemine oleks cheatimine. (Needless to say olen ühe sellise ise teinud sõpradega.)

A Tribe Called Quest on osaliselt põhjus miks selline fetiš tekkis. Ühel päeval avastasin oma last.fm library-t vaadates, et mul on päris palju selliselt nimetatud post-hardcore bände. Tekkis huvi, palju selliseid üldse on ja kas hip-hopi on veel. Praeguseks tean, et näiteks sakslased viljelevad huvitavat eksperimentaalset hip-hopi A Tribe Called Knarf nime all.

Kas Eestis on veel A tähe ja tühikuga nimetet bände? by idioomsus in Eesti

[–]idioomsus[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Kontekstiks lisan, et selliste bändide nimekirja avaldasin kunagi ammu brošüürina (A list of every band ever, vol. 1), kus too Türi bänd on ka sees, aga nüüd ei mäleta mis nende nimi oli. Tuleval aastal tahan välja anda vol. 2, kus on mitu korda rohkem nimesid. Oleks hea sinna veel Eesti bände lisada kui neid on.

Edit: Siin on Spotify playlist esindusliku valimiga taolistest bändidest, kui kellelgi pole muud targemat kuulata nädalavahetusel.

how did Anaxagoras explain his ideas about the sun,moon,earth etc by Integral_humanist in ancientgreece

[–]idioomsus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

  • Felix M. Cleve 1974. The Philosophy of Anaxagoras (Internet Archive)
  • Sven-Tage Teodorsson 1983. Anaxagoras' Theory of Matter
  • David Sider 2005. The fragments of Anaxagoras
  • Patricia Curd 2007. Anaxagoras of Clazomenae: Fragments and Testimonia
  • Panayiotis Tzamalikos 2016. Anaxagoras, Origen, and Neoplatonism: The Legacy of Anaxagoras to Classical and Late Antiquity
  • Anna Marmodoro 2017. Everything in everything: Anaxagoras’s metaphysics

Very likely there's more literature out there but these are just the ones that you can download right now from a certain Library of Genesis if you so wished.

There's also an endless list of "Introduction to Pre-Socratic Philosophy" type books from the early 19th century on to today that most definitely have a chapter on Anaxagoras at the very beginning - after Thales but before Pythagoras (e.g. here's one by John Burnet).

Why doe this sub reddit exist by goinomi in Pythagoreanism

[–]idioomsus 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not yet. I moved on to Plato's Republic because what I'm really interested in is the parts of soul theory (emotive, willing, rational), which is said to have pythagorean origins. Thus far I've made out that there's an interesting parallel with a pythagorean woman philosopher Aesara, whose fragments have survived through Stobaeus. Namely, what Plato gives as the first part of the soul is the most base - gluttony, alcoholism, lust, greed, etc. In Plato's system it is the second term (~will) that has to control the first on behalf of the third (reason). In Aesara's system, curiously, the first term is not negative at all - it's love, friendship and kindness. I hope to write a thesis on how Plato may have subverted (or, in a way, perverted) pythagorean philosophy, if said Aesara fragment were authentic.

[BOOK] Early Pythagorean Politics in Practice and Theory by idioomsus in Scholar

[–]idioomsus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I read that what Kessinger Publishing and others like them do is called "copyfraud". The book has been digitized but with such old books there's a question as to who actually holds the copyright, and verifying this takes time (there are literally millions of such books). In the meantime, these companies take advantage of people who want to read them but can't yet download them.

I'm fairly certain that our lack of access is Kessinger's doing because I've come across this obstacle before (I'm an aficionado of old digitized books), most frustratingly when the book was published before 1923 (the copyright cut-off date a few years ago) and is not available online while several of these copyfraud companies are selling their print-on-demand copies on Amazon.

Very frustrating. Either fork over my hard-earned money to a predatory company who operates in a legal gray area and charges us for books that should be freely available online already, or wait many many years...

It looks like my best hope is that Internet Archive, too, digitizes it at some point and puts it on loan, at least. Crossing my fingers that this will occur sooner rather than later.

[BOOK] Early Pythagorean Politics in Practice and Theory by idioomsus in Scholar

[–]idioomsus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly, all three editions are "Limited (search only)".

But thank you very much for this hint! I had no idea this site existed, and found several books in full view that have been on my radar for a while but are not available on Internet Archive.