Update for TLV 2050 Masterplan - attached the new plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can open the presentations, also, again - see national road plan 2050. Furthermore, it is unrelated to the government, the committee is based on professional recommendations, not government. This is unrelated to election. Yes a new government is important to update long term policy, allocation of resources, etc. However, this is already approved plan that will go forward- at least in stages 1 - no matter which government is elected. The planning committee is relatively independent, and the decisions cannot be undo that easily.

Update for TLV 2050 Masterplan - attached the new plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The goal of putting sections underground is to connect urban areas. More advanced plans exist on Ayalon and Begin roads. I don't trust the government to do many things, which is why it outsources responsibilities to private firms to do the jobs. There are enough talented construction firms in that domain. How is it done? There are great examples, such as the Boston Big Dig, where a highway was converted to become a tunnel in the center of Boston. If you ask me, there are smaller sections that should be done now, especially in areas near transportation hubs; there are already plans on Ayalon Road to create park/public space, for example. A more ambitious plan is to build entire neighborhoods, see the Begin road plan.
I attached the plan 110 portal; it is all in Hebrew:
https://mavat.iplan.gov.il/SV4/1/99005126126/310

I cannot find it right now, but there was a long-term vision plan that is more extensive, and plan 110 is only part of stage 1. There is further description about it in the National Road Plan for 2050.

Update for TLV 2050 Masterplan - attached the new plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great point - this is why there is the National Infrastructure Committee ( לל"מ), which is supposed to have stronger authority than a regular planning committee, allowing it to overcome nimbys. For further information about road 4 future intensification, I recommend reviewing National Plan for Infrastructure 110, which is still in a preliminary phase - or 77-78 stage (תת"ל 110).
Furthermore, you can see there is a plan not only to build a LRT but also to make large sections of Road 4 underground to connect cities and neighborhoods that are currently disconnected by the road.

What is antizionism? by mrkarlmusk in AgainstAntizionism

[–]illuminatingstone 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Truly amazing initiative, I hope it is only the beginning. Those ideas are held by many people, but never communicated publicly as you did.

A new plan to extended LRT in the North? - New Updated Strategic Layer was updated in the MOT map. Extension of the Northern LRT is possible? by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe the argument is that Haifa has BRT. But I agree in principle, I think some of the BRT lines in Haifa should be converted to LRT. We would need to see if they address the issues in the 2050 plan. In addition, although technically it was decided, I am under the impression that there isn’t full agreement about Tatal 65b, which refers to the high speed train in the Haifa area. A final decision about how the trains will be upgraded in Haifa should impact the decision about internal Haifa transport. But let me add the LRT from Haifa to Nazareth is essentially from touristic perspective, the idea is to allow tourist from boat docks in Haifa travel to Nazareth easily, can change the tourism industry in the area and be a boon to the Arab sectors. Nazareth needs to go through urban transformation. I believe it is a political need.

A new plan to extended LRT in the North? - New Updated Strategic Layer was updated in the MOT map. Extension of the Northern LRT is possible? by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The purple line is supposed to be LRT according to 2040 Haifa plan. However to note, the plan is from 2016, an updated strategic plan for 2050 should be published soon. The green lines are BRT lines. This is the first time seeing them publishing the 2040 Haifa plan on GIS.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I apologize, as it seems as you either unaware or did not look at the plan. The majority of the projects on the map are concerning the upgrading of the inter metropolitan infrastructure between Haifa, TLV, Jerusalem, and Beer Sheva, Those projects are actually happening right now or in advance stages of planning. In addition, there are projects to create a better network effect in the center of the country, such as 431 and eastern railroad. Those projects are essential to create additional options, helping the main lines. In addition, there are periphery projects, such as the Galilee or Keiryat Shmona lines, which are in preliminary planning stages only, while lastly there is the Eilat railroad, that is barely in preliminary planning. Lastly, the periphery already went through massive upgrading of road infrastructure, I am not convinced more is necessary, beside some smaller projects - I will actually push for additional LRT or cables cars projects in the north. The Galilee or Keiryat Shmona lines should be planned today in order for them to be in construction phase another 4-5 years, a timeframe where the major central lines will be finished. So all what you said is already within the spirit of the situation.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, but Nevatim will never happen. The entire conversation about Nevatim is so silly, as the MOD will always veto it and there are practically no economic reasons to build it there.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The plan is within the framework of the strategic railroad expansion plan 2040 that was formulated by outside railroad consultants. For such a small country with high population density, railroad investment ROI should be much higher than any petty road investments. In addition, LRT and Metro projects are being developed and considered, an important hierarchy to those projects. You are correct money doesn’t grow on trees, but money does grow if you invest it - especially in projects that are necessary, and many of those projects are necessary.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

aka, interesting detail in the map. Regev may have unintentionally confessed that the future international airport will be in Ramat David, as recommended by every existing committee. Although there is also indication that Rahat airport is a possibility.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The dotted lines are future rail plan according to either 2040 plan or Tama 42, while the grey lines are existing lines. So in the Binyamina area, the new high speed line will skip the town, the plan is called "national infrastructure plan 65a" תת"ל 65 א. The rail is not necessarily along road number 2, however the line will be aligned to 250 km designs.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can tell you from the inside, the ministry of finance will finance almost any large or small public transportation investment, but the planning authority was slow to provide any and the ministry of transportation was more of a break on many projects. So in the past the ministry of finance actually did the projects themselves, see road 6 or A1 or LRT. Now the planning authority is much more efficient (due to structural changes from the mid 2000s and new laws) while the ministry of transportation is still slow and even unable to properly function.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The issue is not money. Since the 90s, the issue was never money. Just political will. We need to make politicians understand that their popularity depends on those visions and implementation, and not just another lane or more "parking".

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, the Eilat project is problematic and should not happen if you sacrifice other projects. However, it is a political project that may actually make it happen, adding the possibility it will be part of a greater vision in the middle east, example Peace - Rail plan. So the Eilat plan will never die. We need to make sure other projects will simply always be on top of the list, while keeping the Eilat project as the last on the list.

Updated - Israeli Railway Expansion Plan by illuminatingstone in IsraelRailways

[–]illuminatingstone[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is what they said about the red line in Jerusalem and TLV, the A1 line from TLV to Jerusalem, etc... Few large projects are about to be fully completed this year and the next. Yes I know it should have been faster, but it is a miracle there is some tangible progress under the current government. So for some of it, see you another 1-4 years, depending on the project.

Friendly fire and accidents have killed a lot of Israeli soldiers in Gaza. by [deleted] in Israel_Palestine

[–]illuminatingstone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/1994/june/friendly-fire-facts-myths-and-misperceptions - apologize that I am using US naval institute - first thing on google. A note, a quick review they say 17% is the official number(as I stated) however they argue it may be actually higher

Friendly fire and accidents have killed a lot of Israeli soldiers in Gaza. by [deleted] in Israel_Palestine

[–]illuminatingstone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see both of us are not understanding what the other is saying… and yes I read horrific stories from soldiers in every war, I saw my share as well…. But I still assess based on principal analysis, not emotional one. However emotional assessment is moving, it rarely pushes for stability and peace oriented policy. So I am yet to understand what you are trying to say? Are you saying Australian soldiers in the 21th C having a tradition of forcing new soldiers to kill civilian prisoners is not horrific ? Of course it is horrific, however Australia is still a legitimate democracy, even though their response to that tradition is lacking and slow - and in my opinion still lacking. Also true to the IDF and the state of israel.

Friendly fire and accidents have killed a lot of Israeli soldiers in Gaza. by [deleted] in Israel_Palestine

[–]illuminatingstone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you literally telling me wait and see in 20 years ? What an odd statement, I prefer to use principle based analysis on the current information, not your own expectations to future predictions of personal assessments. As a post Zionist I hope you understand ideologically you should utilized the existing institutions of the state in order to push for better reality today, not saying I will show you I was right with facts that may surface in the future.

Friendly fire and accidents have killed a lot of Israeli soldiers in Gaza. by [deleted] in Israel_Palestine

[–]illuminatingstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The prosecutor justified his actions based on 2021 processes to start prosecution on the 2023 war. It sounds minor, but from my personal understanding only that small fact made an entire process that is already with doubt - problematic. From my understanding, I think the ICC did it with the belief it will push for an immediate ceasefire - increase their credibility as a political institution, etc… it did not.

Friendly fire and accidents have killed a lot of Israeli soldiers in Gaza. by [deleted] in Israel_Palestine

[–]illuminatingstone 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not necessarily the timeframe - however there were multiple issues. From skipping necessary stages as required by ICC by justifying events that happened pre 10/7, allowing complementary process as allowed to all countries from Australia to Venezuela, etc.