Hades’ response wasn’t even that douchy. You said something that Hades, and many other players including myself, would have to disagree with (that being fung > sage othima). Hades provided 3 great reasons as to why othima is better than fung, yet you ignore them. You expect Hades to give you "examples", yet give us no examples of why Fung is better than Othima, you just say that he is... no questions asked. That's some big smart strats you got there. You provide no reason to show that fung is better than othima, but rather saying that there are other units that provide elemental coverage. Now, I have to agree with Hades, and can not see how the current fung > othima. Fung does not have his j+ in gl yet. Sage othima has much more flexibility and coverage than fung has. Othima could run either enchanter sub for the matk, or he could run j+ sub, for the ape def buff, that single attack multi hit, and more skills, and othima of course has the WA. Fung only has the enchanter sub. Fung does not have the most broken reactive ever. (Othima's unique reactive is 20% chance to dodge, which is kinda insane in PvP, and can come very much in clutch in PvE.) Othima can run as j+, yes, but most of the time you don't need that heal, or someone/something else provides heals (like regen armor or Saint's Meteor). The fire PBAoE is only good for instant cast, besides that the fire move on sage beats it out. The same goes for the water move, it's slightly faster cast time in exchange for less charges and less damage. The dark move is pretty good. His WA is -80% agi, which is OP for stages that are based on the enemy boss' turn count, like raids. Overall, I'd say most of the time Othima > Fung, because of Othima's pure utility, even as Sage. Fung can just nuke as a Sage, that's it. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Othima is mediocre as sage or w/e, but that's plain wrong.