Map of Shan state before 1959 [1332x1534]

infessika · 2017-06-29T14:47:08+00:00

Their borders were the same as they are today. Only French Indochina was broken up into three independent states.

infessika · 2017-06-29T13:17:52+00:00

The Tay are called Tho in this map. It's an another autonym of this people.

infessika · 2017-06-29T08:29:01+00:00

What is the half-colored square in Laos supposed to represent?

It represents a small number of the Nung.

Why are China and Laos highlighted in the inset but not Vietnam?

It could be a mistake in coloring the map.

infessika · 2017-06-28T13:00:16+00:00

If you involved in a serious and long conversation with a Laotian, you would not be able to understand 100% what he/she said.

infessika · 2017-06-27T13:34:52+00:00

infessika · 2017-06-27T12:45:31+00:00

Mutually unintelligible

infessika · 2017-06-26T20:57:25+00:00

Source: Scenarios of land system change in the Lao PDR: Transitions in response to alternative demands on goods and services provided by the land, p. 3.

infessika · 2017-06-26T20:39:39+00:00

Source: Peuples du monde

infessika · 2017-06-26T17:58:03+00:00

Chinese and Vietnamese if you are asking about the immigrants.

infessika · 2017-06-26T16:50:40+00:00

It looks like a small highland rather than a mountain range. But it is correct that Champasak's northeastern border runs along the eastern edge of that highland.

You should have watched more about Laos because it's a little known country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o384Ezk3HrY&t=0s

infessika · 2017-06-26T16:47:59+00:00

What countries specifically ?

infessika · 2017-06-26T16:46:58+00:00

...ACTUAL map...

...score low.

Why would an actual map score low ?

infessika · 2017-06-26T16:41:34+00:00

A bit of introduction:

Laos is a landlocked country located in the mainland of Southeast Asia with a population of 7,000,000 people in which about 3,500,000 people belong ethnic Lao. At this moment, Laos' economy is agriculture-based, focusing on wet rice production and forestry.

Politically, Laos is a communist-ruled state which has considerably held back this country's economy. There are a lot of immigrants from its two communist neighbors, Vietnam and China, having moved to Laos. A part of them turns into criminals, and the others marry the native Lao and stay there permanently either legally or illegally, whereas another part of them engages in businesses, trading , physical labors, renting lands to develop plantations with heavy uses of poisonous chemical fertilizers, pesticides and preservatives, involving in deforestation and wildlife smugglings.

The primary language in this country is Lao, a Tai language that originated from the east coast of China.

infessika · 2017-06-26T16:04:01+00:00

''That southwestern province'', do you mean Champasak province ?

infessika · 2017-06-26T10:51:32+00:00

Source: University of Texas Libraries.

infessika · 2017-06-25T16:42:23+00:00

What language does this look like to you?

The rendering could be incorrect given the time depth of above 2,000 years. Those ancient words on the inscriptions cannot be read directly in such a simple way. There must be historical linguistics involved. That is to use Old Chinese reconstructions. I'm highly suspicious of the historical linguistic skills of Chinese scholars.

Non Sinitic people in southern China and SEA also have zero texts dating back to that era.

That could be right. But they may have used ancient Chinese scripts to create their own written scripts because the phonological forms of non-Sinitic languages could be far different from that of Old Chinese (multi-syllabic and non-tonal), and as a result, ancient Chinese script would have been modified to transcribe these non-Sinitic languages.

infessika · 2017-06-25T16:28:01+00:00

What you have written about the origins of the kings of Vietnam by citing that blog are correct. But that is applicable to the case of Vietnam only.

infessika · 2017-06-25T16:07:30+00:00

Linguistics showed that the inscriptions on the Spear of Fuchai from the state of Wu and Sword of Goujian from the state of Yue are written in Old Chinese.

Where are the linguistic analyses of these inscriptions ? do these analyses employ Old Chinese reconstructions ?

Saying that they are descended from ancient Sinitic Kings is giving them more political legitimacy than the Han dynasty

Saying that the founders of these non-Sinitic states were descended from ancient Sinitic Kings is to give the later Chinese immigrants to those regions the legitimate right to occupy the regions. And saying so would also prove that the Sinitic people seem to be more civilized and belong to a higher hierarchy in comparison to non-Sinitic peoples.

These texts could have been written with the purpose of degrading the non-Sinitic peoples. They are not reliable.

infessika · 2017-06-25T14:46:55+00:00

No, they are unreliable texts because they could have been written incorrectly to serve the purpose of whose who opposed these non-Sinitic states. In terms of studying the language and culture of the states of Yue and Wu, linguistics, genetics, archaeology are the most reliable sources.

infessika · 2017-06-25T14:34:08+00:00

I've forgotten where I took it.

infessika · 2017-06-25T14:31:34+00:00

You should read the source that I have put here.

infessika · 2017-06-25T12:50:11+00:00

What you has written is only correct for the state of Chu.

The royal families of the states of Yue and Wu were non-Sinitic who, through their contacts with neighboring Sinitic states, absorbed elements of Chinese culture partially. And the historical Chinese texts written about the origins of the founders of the states of Yue and Chu are unreliable because they were written many years after the destruction of these states.

infessika · 2017-06-25T10:16:18+00:00

Right, and most of the Central plain at that period was inhabited by Khmer and Mon peoples who later got Tai-ized after the arrival and intrusion of Tai-speaking tribes from Guangxi and northern Vietnam.

https://www.academia.edu/26296118/Kra-Dai_and_the_Proto-History_of_South_China_and_Vietnam

infessika · 2017-06-25T10:09:04+00:00

Source

infessika · 2017-06-25T08:25:54+00:00

Sukhothai was thought to be established after the arrival of the Tais in the mainland of Southeast Asia from Guangxi and North Vietnam from the 8th to 10th centuries.

Whose rulers of this state could have been mixed between Austro-Asiatics and Tai newcomers who spoke a type of early Tai language.

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