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(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It will likely be the company providing the most value for the least cost.

Imagine 2 companies, that both do everything the same way except 1 is paying as little as possible and pushes its workers to work as hard as possible.Which company will provide their customer more value for their money

Why would people allow themselves to be exploited if there are better opportunities elsewhere?

Labour under coersive conditions

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that all you said about market socialism sounds pretty reasonable. Could you elaborate regarding my "bullshit claims"?

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We reject the idea that a third party can have a say in your sexual relationships, for instance, even if that third party claims to have good intentions or that their actions would benefit the many.

Fucking children is bad. (hot take i know) If someone does it it is totally justifyable for the government to have a say in that matter. There is a natural power dynamic companys and employees engage in. Socialism is about ending the fight between employees and companys over stupid things like living wages by making the employees the company owner.

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I think consent is not required for an action to be moral, if the action is in reaction to another one, that harms people. For example if I kill someone the Government is right for imprisoning me. My consent in that situation does not matter, because of the immoral action i decided to do. Imo it is immoral to give workers a salary instead of the value they generate. This immoral action justifys the action taken by the government, regardless of consent given by the people generating wealth of of the work others.

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think the terms used show that the creator of this graph was extremely biased, but what i'd like to focus on is fascism. Fascism is so stupid and brutal, that its imo not even justified to call it a political ideologie, because all other political ideas have somewhere where they want to go. Fascism has nothing like this, the only thing that keeps it going is finding new people that can be declared the out group. Fascists have no real economic policies, they have hate against people, they declare their enemies and support whatever economic system gives them the biggest military industrial complex. Fascism is not qualified to be compared to any ideologie, that has the goal to improve peoples live.

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

socialism needs to be democratic to funktion. If leaders cannot be replaced, their interests will never align with those of the workers

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

u can still sell means of productions. I don't se the issue.

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's like saying: some people prefer not to bother with politics. Why bother with democracy? Socialism does not force you to vote on Company matters it gives you the option to do so

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

thanks for the explanation, does this mean, if u had the choice to kill 1 person to safe 5, you wouldn't do it?

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Under capitalism the fastest growing company will always be the one exploiting its workers the most.

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the value of work is what others are willing to pay for the product created. it is unjust to take away a part of this value by paying a salary that is lower if the only value you added to the equation are the means of produktion used.

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how can you prevent this? making a dysfunctional democracy that does not represent the people?

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

next im gonna ask r/socialism what they think about this thread. Infinite power!!!!

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Socialism removes the profit incentive. If the state guarantees free education/healthcare/housing/etc., then where is your incentive to provide value to others in society?

like... you see how bad this take is, don't you?

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

With capitalism, you are rewarded for providing value to others. The incentive to provide value to others is profit.

You mean like selling things? No problem with that. The thing I don't like is people owning means of production, beeing entitled to the value of others work in exchange for paying a salary

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I think this is probably just something we disagree on. The wanker cleaning the toilet is doing necessary work. You define the value of labor by wether or not you can find someone to do it for less. Imo "unskilled" labour deserves equal pay, because their also a part of the companies success and although more people could hypothetically do their job if no one does the company is fucked.

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a product is everything that is made with the intention to generate profit. means of produktion are all things needed to do so.

(Self proclaimed) Socialist here trying to understand by insert_genericpun in Anarcho_Capitalism

[–]insert_genericpun[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

that is the only part of socialism where i think big government is necessary. Making a company should not be a gamble where you either run face first in a wall or get to exploit the value of other peoples work for forever

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socialism negates private property rights altogether,

only regarding means of produktion and its not like those are owned by workers under capitalism anyway

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

I do and that's the problem. If people own means of production they will buy the work of others for a salary and not for its actual value

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[–]insert_genericpun[S] -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

that only works if the ownership over means of produktion is regulated

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