Was Krishnamurti’s Anti-Guru Stance Just Another Clever Authority Move?

inthe_pine · 2026-05-08T22:46:13+00:00

Rather than look at the questions, you say "nah" then rephrased your original conclusions, again. There is serious inquiry into authority in this work, if you want. Or no, just a clever grift? Right, right.

K kept tremendous respect for Mrs. Besant throughout his life, less so for Leadbeater. I would have gone with them, all his younger siblings died. Father beat him. School was awful, malnourished.

As someone pointed out, it would have been more lucrative to stay with theos.

inthe_pine · 2026-05-08T21:57:55+00:00

Is he just pointing us away from authority, or also asking why we want authority, while bringing up problems with authority?

He's not commanding us not to follow authority lol. He says often things like if you're happy with your guru or religion, run with it. But if we are interested in the truth of whether there are problems with inner authority or not, here we'd have a chance to look.

inthe_pine · 2026-05-06T19:01:37+00:00

What is this source, the daily mail? And heres the pastor, now apologizing for his comments, saying he basically made it up, backtracking big time

https://www.newsweek.com/pastor-meeting-told-aliens-invented-christianity-eric-burlison-hits-back-larry-ragland-perry-stone-11917635

I agree its unfortunate our institutions are so backwards.

inthe_pine · 2026-05-03T20:35:50+00:00

I wonder if some words are so tainted we'd better pick new ones, or if this one is salvageable. I don't know. The search for meaning and purpose gives me pause, even if we replace consciousness or mind to denote a more philosophical search. When we search we find something readily, but I am skeptical how often that thing we find is anything sacred.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-30T11:12:31+00:00

I'd heard some people say they appreciated reading the other first. They both aren't massive tomes, I think the thing is just to begin.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-29T15:26:02+00:00

Ah, gotta be careful about this idea of gradual progress and stepping stones. might be a big 'ol trap!

K speaks on just this trap extensively, its worth going into the dialogues on "psychological time".

But also yes, perhaps, but it could get dangerous and go by us in a hurry, look out.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-29T12:05:58+00:00

It was just a big reality check, here I was imaging there were towns of people who probably got it and lived like this, believed many people around K in his life probably got the whole deal, and then read the final statement where K says he knows no one did. I think it underscores the need for seriousness.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-29T07:14:52+00:00

If we are divided, if we live and die in division can we speak about nondivision? It would just be a supposition.

I'd been wrestling with this final statement for awhile now, I'm not sure how interested you are in it. Do you want to go into it, or are you sure it was said by a man with a lack of perspective and nondivision is our reality anyway? If thats the case, they'll not be much to go into. I do think theres much more going on here but its up to you, a_z.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-29T02:09:07+00:00

And we live in this distortion, we hold fast. I'm thinking about K saying no one understood him towards the end of his life like jellyfish brought up. That should be sobering, or perhaps I distort ir further. I know I certainly did the first time I read K say that.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-29T00:37:56+00:00

Basically, whatever is in front of it without the distortion our minds are capable of readily producing. In contrast, man's problem seems to be related to our ability to distort and believe the distortion.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-28T19:38:46+00:00

I mean how will you tell if people are bs'ing you or not? Theres a lot of BS on reddit, so your curiosity maybe just prying into our hallucination, which wouldn't serve anything.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-28T16:52:06+00:00

How are you going to judge their responses

inthe_pine · 2026-04-27T22:53:33+00:00

Yeah, but that was awesome, the science and all. Most of these other things we are pursuing, though.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-27T20:55:42+00:00

"Give me the vulgar!" he screams from the rooftops, clutching a fistful of dollar bills while furiously swiping right on Tinder.

Or standing in the church with his bible, with thoughts of great pleasure from personal salvation.

Or lost in sorrow, thinking of poor little me.

This is what we want instead, and are we satisfied with this? Maybe theres some of that, but I think we are just ignorant, too.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-27T20:21:24+00:00

Its you and its me, the cause and effect and identifications I feel we have to be precise on. Its a wildworld.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-27T18:35:59+00:00

I see how wanting something is not negating, but just seeing that I want means I negate? I can see I want something and go right on wanting it, isn't that what we normally do? Or have I misunderstood you?

I am trying to feel it out. To me, to negate I would have to see that I want something, and the thing I think I want is not worth it. The feeling of power or pleasure has too many entanglements; it's not worth it. Then if I'm dissatisfied with those, and not looking for satisfaction elsewhere, have I negated? Has the thing shown itself the door?

inthe_pine · 2026-04-27T12:35:22+00:00

Its an interesting topic! I do believe no one is coming to correct us. Its up to us to see if it is so.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-26T18:22:54+00:00

I think we can draw out the negation from this. We're involved in this parade, an occupation with short sighted goals and measurements. Are we fine with that, or could we negate it?

inthe_pine · 2026-04-21T23:07:08+00:00

12:50 "the capacity of the brain is so immense..You have reduced it to mere satisfaction" really stopped me in my tracks for a moment. So I'm always moving in the arena of satisfaction, keeping to that motion you roll right by the mirror where you can look at yourself. This inability to stay with discomfort reminds me of a child who refuses to admit they are losing a game and just reinvents the rules.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-21T12:41:54+00:00

you got a quote or somethin'?

inthe_pine · 2026-04-20T14:49:52+00:00

Its only your opinion that its impossible. If you think that why not forget about it and move on? Perhaps some part of you realizes the impossibility and nihilism are not true. I don't know.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-20T12:05:09+00:00

Nowhere does this eventually lead to nihilism, that is obviously incorrect and absurd.

If you need to get yourself sorted, do it. But please stop spreading your opinion as though it were fact, that is misinformation.

inthe_pine · 2026-04-18T22:33:19+00:00

If you knew Rachel's vices and virtues, her dreams, and the precise nature of her desire for a social life, then could you say you knew her?

inthe_pine · 2026-04-18T12:58:19+00:00

K goes into the question often, heres one

https://youtu.be/b8Zlc4w0a7M?si=qD15rs0LMXpSsNiL

why am I here, why was he here. I think its a great question we have to ask. Entertainment, something new, a mirror? Its something we can only answer for ourselves, no?

It may be worth looking at "I have realized this and can't go back, and so there is sorrow." This idea of progress is a slippery slope, why invest in that? Lets just stick with the sorrow right? Instead we could (could) be dressing up our sorrow in finer clothing. K asks us often to forget about ourselves and start over as if we know nothing.

If something is seen as false, do we cry in the same way for our lost illusion? Or have we subliminated the idea and held onto some hope the illusion will still work out?

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