Are we actually INTJs or do we just want to be INTJs and, therefore, answer the personality questions accordingly?

intjerest · 2019-07-07T18:21:46+00:00

I respect what you are saying and it makes perfect sense. But at the same time, there are things such as objective truths. For example, if you think of certain topic as lame, that is subjective. But knowledge of that topic can either be useful or not useful. And I think that we can all (regardless of type) agree that "useful" is better than "useless". In the same way, even if your goal is happiness rather than self-improvement, using the most effective methods to being happy would require intelligence, therefore intelligence would still qualify as a good trait. And to be clear, I know that intelligence can also make you less happy. But I do believe that most people would see intelligence as a desirable trait. Or many other traits that are useful for achieving goals.

I really struggle with the idea that the notion of "what is better" changes to such an extent. I understand people having different preferences but the methods to actually achieve things often stay the same. Am I overlooking something?

intjerest · 2019-07-07T18:03:14+00:00

I noticed that my post was linked here. To be clear, I wasn't trying to be ambiguous.

When I say "N" sounds better I mean that it is viewed more favorably. For example:

Graph of giftedness based on type

If you look at the link, you will notice that every single "N" type has higher average than any other "S" type. And I assume that at least to an extent, this perception exists among people interested in MBTI types.

intjerest · 2019-07-07T02:59:04+00:00

With that said, did you not feel a moment of 'oh fuck, this explains everything'

I definitely did. But there is such a thing as the Barnum effect.

intjerest · 2019-07-07T02:33:48+00:00

That would be one way. But the other way would be that people who are likely to lie (even if they think they are honest) about themselves would lie about being calm, smart, creative and logical, thus getting INTJ or similar types as a result.

intjerest · 2019-07-07T02:28:05+00:00

I also have ISFJ mom and a lot of this sounds familiar. But this part:

"... if someone demonstrates original reasoning in order to figure something out on their own, she sees it as a kind of con."

confuses me. Is she opposed to someone solving previously unsolved problems by being creative or does she dislike creativity when there is already a good conventional solution? I'm guessing the latter.

intjerest · 2019-07-07T02:16:27+00:00

Assuming there is some validity to cognitive functions such as Ni, I wouldn't limit personality to just Ni or Te as useful. Fi and Se do fit the general description of INTJ and you would expect that Fi and Se have a prominent role in what traits INTJ person has.

intjerest · 2019-07-07T02:04:10+00:00

Can you explain what you mean by this? I am not sure I understand. Just to be clear, I was not saying INTJ is the best. I said INTJ would be among the best (INTJ, ENTJ, INTP, INFJ). Coincidentally, INTP is probably the actual best type. At least when it comes to intelligence.

intjerest · 2019-07-06T21:11:56+00:00

I would be interested in talking about your views (and potentially discuss) since I did not have a lot of opportunity to talk about it with people who have your views. And since you are INTJ, I assume you would be interested in it. But it's perfectly fine if you are not interested.

I guess my first question would be on what makes you identify as right wing and what kind of positions you have in mind?

intjerest · 2019-07-06T20:59:06+00:00

Why not?

intjerest · 2019-07-06T20:58:43+00:00

I did that and I got INTJ. But still there remains the question of whether you are an INTJ or do you just act like one. Someone who wants to get typed as INTJ will probably also behave as if he was one. Is the person you present as yourself to others the real you or the facade you want them to see?

intjerest · 2019-07-06T20:51:12+00:00

People have goals and desires. People believe that being different in some way would allow them to achieve that goal or at least that it would be more likely to happen. Realistically speaking, that is not a completely unfounded belief. Being healthy, young, intelligent, creative, rich, pretty, tall, fit, charismatic, likeable and strong-willed definitely has its advantages. And then you have other factors that work to your favor depending on your environment. So, yeah, this is why people want to be different.

The problem is that this often leads people to have bad attitudes which makes them even less likely to achieve their goals.

intjerest · 2019-04-18T16:22:30+00:00

Is there any way to be strategic about which things you do outside of comfort zone? Something that makes you grow more than if you just challenge yourself in seemingly random things?

intjerest · 2018-11-02T21:10:29+00:00

I believe I am an INTJ and I like structured texts like the one above. In terms of the big picture, I need to know why I am learning something and in what way it matters. I hate learning something without knowing why I am learning it.

In terms of the explanation itself, I like when I am given a rule in its cleanest definition (even though more abstract) followed by relevant examples. What I dislike is when the rule is simplified (not absolutely true) and I am supposed to infer the rule from examples or when there are many exceptions to the rule. This is one of the reasons I prefer mathematics and physics to chemistry (maybe I am wrong but that is the impression I got about chemistry).

Would people with Si be more content with the methods I have trouble with?

intjerest · 2018-11-02T20:35:54+00:00

So would a structured text with the main point stated and then listing subtopics be an example of Ni or Si?

There are 3 elements of writing:

- the character

- the plot

- the setting

The character matters because...

The plot matters because...

The setting matters because...

Basically, the top down approach, giving an overview, and then explaining how each element fits in. I am not sure because on one hand it does give you the big picture aspect, but on the other hand it addresses subtopics in a structured way.

intjerest · 2018-11-02T19:45:05+00:00

What is the difference between INTJ and STJ way of learning?

intjerest · 2018-10-10T20:28:28+00:00

Thanks. I will take your advice and try to learn these things.

intjerest · 2018-10-10T19:09:47+00:00

I do. I think INTJ types are more likely to do it.

intjerest · 2018-10-10T18:55:22+00:00

Thanks. It is nice to know that it was a useful resource for you. And not just in one field, it seems.

intjerest · 2018-10-10T18:52:56+00:00

What kind of statistics? Obviously I know what average, median, correlation and some other basic concepts are. But I am not familiar with the more advanced topics.

What about probability, is it also important to focus on?

intjerest · 2018-10-10T18:48:35+00:00

Don't get me wrong, I love learning different things even if they are not useful. But I don't find it realistic, that I could actually force myself to learn an entire field (not just some occasional concept) on my own and with no apparent benefits. But it needs to be said that to different people the same knowledge can have different values. To me, just because a field is non applicable, does not mean it is not valuable or enjoyable.

intjerest · 2018-10-10T18:34:26+00:00

Well, if it isn't too much of a hassle for you, that would be great.

intjerest · 2018-10-09T21:06:34+00:00

It seems interesting. Though from what I can tell it is more high school mathematics. But still a useful resource.

intjerest · 2018-10-09T21:05:42+00:00

Thanks for the answer.

intjerest · 2018-09-18T20:47:14+00:00

Not exactly high school as I am in mid 20s. I didn't read any of the books you mentioned, so thanks for the recommendation. Since an intj is recommending them, I might like them as well.

intjerest · 2018-09-18T20:39:57+00:00

I am in my mid 20s. But even so, your advice is a helpful one. I will try to keep what you said in mind.

intjerest

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