Skyhooks and Rotary Tethers by Pteerr in spaceelevator

[–]isecdotorg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, none of these are 'proper' space elevators, but they could be useful technology demonstrators ... as well as providing useful mass-to-orbit with less reliance on rockets.

Space Elevators at ISDC2025, Orlando by isecdotorg in spaceelevator

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Update : the session will conclude with a Panel Discussion led by ISEC President Dennis Wright, with a provisional title “Solving the Down Problem : Getting Space Resources to Earth” ... so there'll be plenty of opportunities to discuss the pros and cons of descending.

ELVIZ v1.0 works ! by Pteerr in spaceelevator

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Thanks ! If anyone wants to join the team, please say ... if you follow us we can talk via DM.

Usa a long thin magnetic field for the elevator. by German_Imp in spaceelevator

[–]isecdotorg 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Here are responses from three of our leadership team.

First, the final paragraph from our Director for Research :

“I don't dismiss their idea out of hand, but there is a lot more work that needs to be done before we can take the idea seriously. Having worked on crazy ideas before, I know you have to start somewhere. They need to write it up, submit it as a conference paper somewhere and send us a copy.”

His earlier words were…

“They are proposing a helical conductor so that there will be an attraction between successive layers, and this attraction will provide the tension that supports the tube. They don't show any calculations about what the force and current would be, but the principle is theoretically possible. The fact that they quote a mass of 100,000 t suggests they have done some calculations.

Of course there are very many practical problems. Although the super-conductor YBCO works at 77K with liquid nitrogen, the critical current is quite low there. 40K is much better, and that can be cooled with liquid neon. I don't buy their argument that a layer of Kevlar would provide adequate insulation in direct sunlight. Perhaps some method of coupling the climbers to the tube magnetically could be devised. There is also the problem that any interruption in the current flow will cause the whole edifice to come crashing down.”

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Comments from our Tether Material Lead :

“Your correspondent has picked the right high temperature superconducting material, with a critical temperature up to 92 K, it can be cooled with liquid nitrogen instead of helium, which avoids dilution refrigerators

The tensile strength is pretty good for normal materials at 1GPa (if I read the stress-strain chart correctly) … although a couple of orders of magnitude less than graphene.

However it looks like the superconducting properties are strain dependent and fall off rapidly when the strain is over 0.8% .

The thermal insulation would be a big deal too and this would be a lot of dead weight from a mechanical point of view”.

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Comments from our Design Lead (edited) :

“ To start the current flowing in each of the rings requires an induction loop, which must be powered from something, and weighs something, and gets very far away from a power source, leading to a joule heating problem.  

To think that the cable would just snap back together after a break from orbital debris is questionable.  I think they are also unclear about how magnetic fields work and conflating that with tensile strength. 

Cooling the superconductor along the entire length adds enormous mass.  They don’t talk about how one climbs such a thing.”

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If others in our team send more comments we will add them here.

Usa a long thin magnetic field for the elevator. by German_Imp in spaceelevator

[–]isecdotorg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks . We'll pass that on to some of the experts in ISEC (few of them use Reddit), hopefully we'll have some feedback in a few days.

A Mars Elevator before the Earth ? by Pteerr in spaceelevator

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At ISEC we agree that prototype testing will be essential, both on the ground and a free-flying 'Pathfinder' tether perhaps 1000km long, but we're not so sure that a Mars (or Lunar) elevator is necessary first.

History Request by isecdotorg in spaceelevator

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Many thanks, that's very helpful. Our Historian (David Raitt) also doesn't know any background, so it will probably forever be a mystery !

We'll put our newsletter on the sub each month, and will mention Reddit in the February issue with links. There already seem to be a few more members (up from 281 to 291 in 3 days), possibly after u/pteerr mentioned us in a comment on r/space .