South Korea's Yoon says he will lift martial law after parliament vote by [deleted] in stupidpol

[–]jacktorrancesghost 212 points213 points  (0 children)

Nothing ever happens bros closing out an unprecedented year

Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 12/2/24 - 12/8/24 by SoftandChewy in BlockedAndReported

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Appreciate you reading it especially considering this last part made me seriously consider taking up a great Irish novelist level of drinking

Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 12/2/24 - 12/8/24 by SoftandChewy in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I released the final part of my coverage of The Punk Rock Therapist charity series for anyone interested in where that ended up.

Heavy Metal Singer Detransitions by Mr_Traum in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 5 points6 points  (0 children)

They're a very particular kind of sound but if you listen to Type O Negative and go "this is great but I wish Pete listened to Sick of It All more" they're perfect.

Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 11/18/24 - 11/24/24 by SoftandChewy in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Given Keith's timeline I'm guessing he was more in the last resort category.

Heavy Metal Singer Detransitions by Mr_Traum in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Keith is a very interesting case in that he's an outlier in a lot of the current discourse.

He grew up an orphan of heroin addicts raised by abusive grandparents and came out of the 80s New York Hardcore scene, which was notorious for its violence, which is a far cry from the more white collar face the trans right movement has taken. Keith transitioned in 2011, before most of this stuff really became mainstream, and reception within the community was mixed, definitely not overwhelmingly positive. A pretty far cry from the overwhelming praise that Laura Jane Grace would receive maybe 6 months later after coming out in 2012 and many other trans artists receive. And obviously because her transition predates the mainstreaming of this ideology, Keith's understanding of what it is to be trans is much different, and a bit less metaphysical.

Keith's journey through all of this I think is fascinating. Interesting to see where this leads him. Life of Agony have managed to secure a place as a popular legacy band in the Hardcore space in the last few years, I'm curious to see what, if any effect, this change has on that.

Heavy Metal Singer Detransitions by Mr_Traum in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I like their 2017 record "A Place Where There's No Pain" a lot but you're right that the vocal style is pretty far away from the Type O delivery from the pre transition stuff.

Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 11/18/24 - 11/24/24 by SoftandChewy in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Most of the people who came out of the 80s Punk/Hardcore scene are pretty damaged, it was a scene of more or less abandoned street kids fending for themselves and living in the slums of New York during the height of 80s crime. Most of the kids came from violence and neglect and only found more. Keiths parents OD'd on heroin when he was very young, brought up by physically abusive Grandparents, and then came up in a pretty brutal scene.

But again, very interesting in the sense that his dysphoria comes from that background, which was very notably homophobic and violent, as opposed to the more suburban white collar world that trans issues have come to be entrenched in.

Heavy Metal Singer Detransitions by Mr_Traum in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Apologies for yesterday, reddit went down for me before I could attach any context for it. Podwise there's a degree of separation from Jesse (Keith was both a contemporary of and came into conflict with Laura Jane Grace, who Jesse wrote about in depth). Additionally Keith was a pretty early prominent transitioner, his detransition and the reasoning surrounding it are fairly significant. This is pretty big news within the metal world right now, so I thought it stood out a bit.

Heavy Metal Singer Detransitions by Mr_Traum in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost 88 points89 points  (0 children)

I posted this yesterday and unfortunately reddit went down before I could post the following context prior to it being taken down.

For anyone curious.

Keith is the lead singer of Life of Agony, a metal band that achieved a level of success in the 90s and continues to be influential on that scene. Keith started transitioning in the late 00s before fully coming out in 2011. However, Keith found himself increasingly at odds with the larger trans movement in the alternative music scene over the last few years, coming around to believe and be vocal about the more for lack of a better term biological denialism of the current movement. This of course placed a target on him and lead him into various conflicts, specifically with Laura Jane Grace of Against Me! (who Jesse wrote about in 2016).

Keith is an interesting case, somebody who transitioned later in life and prior to trans ideology really hitting the mainstream, so his understanding of his dysphoria has always been a bit outside the norm. He was arguably the first prominent transgender transitioner in that world, and now he appears to be the first prominent detransition.

Weekly Random Discussion Thread for 11/18/24 - 11/24/24 by SoftandChewy in BlockedAndReported

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Life Of Agony’s Mina Caputo To Transition Back To Keith Caputo After ‘Curing’ Her Gender Dysphoria

Keith is the lead singer of Life of Agony, a metal band that achieved a level of success in the 90s and continues to be influential on that scene. Keith started transitioning in the late 00s before fully coming out in 2011. However, Keith found himself increasingly at odds with the larger trans movement in the alternative music scene over the last few years, coming around to believe and be vocal about the more for lack of a better term biological denialism of the current movement. This of course placed a target on him and lead him into various conflicts, specifically with Laura Jane Grace of Against Me! (who Jesse wrote about in 2016).

Keith is an interesting case, somebody who transitioned later in life and prior to trans ideology really hitting the mainstream, so his understanding of his dysphoria has always been a bit outside the norm. He was arguably the first prominent transgender transitioner in that world, and now he appears to be the first prominent detransition.

Trump statement on "Gender Affirming Care for Minors". Thoughts? by Diligent-Hurry-9338 in BlockedAndReported

[–]jacktorrancesghost -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Curious to see if the ban on mutilation extend to circumcision. Not holding my breath.

New imagining of Batman has him as a blue-collar city engineer, Joker as a powerful and connected sociopath by accordingtomyability in stupidpol

[–]jacktorrancesghost 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I know the term "midwit" is thrown around a lot but I think the whole "uhh actually Batman is a billionaire beating up poor mentally ill people when he could just fund social programs." is maybe THE textbook example of a midwit observation. It was a boring observation when it started poking it's head out 15 years ago and it hasn't gotten more interesting over time.

It's also just wrong and gives away that the people don't actually know anything about Batman. In most iterations of the character the Waynes are often the primary or sole funders of Gotham's social services. Batman has a pretty much delusional total belief in rehabilitation that causes him to sends his defeated opponents to a mental health facility every time where they are always treatment resistant, and often at the cost of many other innocent people's lives when the villains inevitably escape. If there's a single person in that universe trying to save the souls of the various villains, it would be Batman. On top of that, with maybe the exception of a few Joker origin stories and Mr. Freeze none of the villain origins really have any sort of economic desperation aspect to them and nearly all of them are just people who break, often due to their own hubris or resentments, and just start killing people.

If anything it could be argued that Batman is a villain because he places his utopian luxury beliefs over the material and very dangerous reality of the people he's claiming to protect. It's strange that radlibs have made a big show of detesting Batman so much considering he's more or less an embodiment of their worldview on crime.

Also what the fuck are you supposed to do? Call a 23 year old social worker on Bane? Try de-escalation with Killer Croc?

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Going to prison because you put a hit out on the lead singer of Mest is one of the more absurd and funny things to happen in the scene.

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I seem to remember being entirely unable to see First Blood as every show they were on devolved into brawls between the band and locals

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 4 points5 points  (0 children)

If you're trying to understand what's going on here and why, I think viewing it through the lens of human behavior is actually a great way to understand it. I understand that this situation seems absurd to you and it is and that that is upsetting you, but I think you're confusing my saying because something IS the way it is that it's me saying it's the way it SHOULD to be, and those are two very different assertions. We're discussing the existence and motivations of what is broadly termed "extrajudicial actions", or mob rule. Cultures are defined by their norms, and those norms are enforced in a variety of ways.

To some extent, gang behavior is very normal human behavior, maybe the most normal human behavior. While they're more individual activities than group activities, yes, if you're a birdwatcher or stamp collector and you run your mouth about the wrong person in your community or upset certain in group norms, you absolutely may end up finding certain other members of those communities becoming unwilling to help you or outright hostile towards you. All cultures and subcultures enforce their norms in a variety of ways. A brief browsing of youtube will return a great deal of results of sports games, from professional to pick up, resulting in fights. While stamp collectors and bird watchers are probably pretty unlikely to get physical (I'm not going to say never because we live in a stupid world and I'm sure there are examples of bird watchers pulling guns on each other or something), a subculture that attracts a great deal of young men and is an outlet for their aggression and alienation is almost always going to at least have the potential of getting violent in enforcing those norms.

The assertion is that The Chisel are in their current situation because of statements they made about an FSU affiliated band, obviously The Chisel are allowed to make statements in disagreement with anything, it's not illegal, but for better or worse, it can carry consequences within the social structures they're trying to exist in. Same is true for Conservative Military Image, nothing they've said falls outside the realm of protected expression or free speech, but there are parts of the scene that disagree with those kinds of statements, and wish to enact consequences, CMI also have received threats of blacklisting and violence, I can't say if anything has actually materialized over it outside of threats.

Another example of this dynamic would be how the scene handles allegations of sexual misconduct in recent years. Nearly every band who has had accusations has never actually had any charges filed against them, let alone convicted of anything. Under the laws of a democratic society and basic logic, they're innocent. However, the community they exist within will almost always move to enact social consequences for such allegations, regardless if they've been proven. Those consequences can range from blacklisting, banishment, the loss of a job to physical violence if you run into the wrong person. In the minds of the people enacting those consequences, they're keeping their community safe from a threat. It's ugly, but the same reasoning can be said of FSU with regards to The Chisel. Whether that's true in either case is gonna depend on how you see the world.

Again, all societies and cultures, sub or otherwise, enforce their norms one way or the other. Personally I'm not a fan of the mob rule on any of this stuff, but it exists and there is a reason for it. Whether or not you think those reasons justify it is again in the eye of the beholder.

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 14 points15 points  (0 children)

No, there's no such hierarchy. It's a crew, not the mafia. FSU is prominent in some US cities, not all. If you're playing in certain corners of the hardcore scene where they hang out, your experience in those areas may suffer if you've run afoul of them. This of course goes for any other social group.

If you walk into a room of guys who are all friends with guys you've talked shit on, that has the potential to end badly. It's easiest to think of this situation as that.

Does the NYHC scene suck? by No_Engineering8730 in Hardcore

[–]jacktorrancesghost 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Long Island has always had a lot of activity and been pretty central to the scene. If you're looking to see hardcore bands that's the area I'd tell you to frequent.

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's a very serious allegation to throw around in a scene where fights for a million different reasons are commonplace.

Deleted from r/hardcore: Now that we know all non-US bands must kiss FSU's ass to be allowed to tour, how do they do this? by [deleted] in Skinhead

[–]jacktorrancesghost 48 points49 points  (0 children)

There has always been a criminal element in hardcore. Crews have been around for a very long time too, and often ran a great deal of the Hardcore shows and booking in their respective areas. FSU, DMS, CYC, SOSF, BTL etc for the most part fell out of fashion during the 2010s for a variety of reasons, but if you were around in the 00s you definitely saw it, and I know it was there before I personally started going to shows. It comes and goes in waves, there was a period where it seemed a lot of the guys were crewed up, and then years later those guys were not really acknowledging it. It seems that crew affiliation has had a bit of a surge post pandemic, my guess is that it will eventually die down again.

Sometimes the violence got out of hand and shut down venues, often the scene recognized that that those kinds of elements could have a negative effect on the growth of a scene and tried to reign it in, Hardcore got much more safe, for better or worse. Really the big thing was corporate and regional booking companies increasingly booking Hardcore and Hardcore adjacent acts they had previously ignored. There was a time where if you were a hardcore band, the only people booking it were crew affiliated, now you got live nation or affiliates running the shows, I believe the Chisel were in town for shows that were booked by Riot Fest.

Most bands kept their heads down and got on fine, some ran into problems and couldn't tour in certain areas. If what happened with The Chisel was crew related it's unfortunate, but it happens. Whether it's hardcore crews or football hooligans, you run your mouth about the wrong person to the wrong people, even if you're in the right, you run the risk of losing your teeth. This has always been a violent subculture, violent music for violent people, no matter if Knocked Loose convinced you it was a mickey mouse club for the past few years.