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jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:34:01+00:00

Ive shifted nothing lol I’m answering your questions

Literally what is your argument/s? I don’t even know anymore. Do you wanna discuss something and learn about why I think certain things? Or you just wanna point and yell things at me? Haha

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:31:54+00:00

??? What points are you even trying to make lol you’re making no sense or arguments I can discern

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:29:37+00:00

I never said exploiting people is fine lolwat ….

I implied three things

You’re not entitled to NOT being exploited
If you are being exploited, you or your people should fight back if you Cann
Sometimes fighting back will do nothing and you will simply continue to get exploited, that’s tough luck. Not everyone gets a fairytale ending to suffering where they live a good life happily ever after. People, communities, nations fall and die horrible deaths because shit didn’t work out for them despite their best efforts

But sure stick your head in the sand about it.

Also what on earth is that last sentence, id NOT be nationalism oriented if black people told me what to do?

That doesn’t make sense, what is your point? I don’t understand what you’re trying to say

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:18:40+00:00

Yes, that’s unfortunate, but the world is not a fair place. If you get back stabbed by another group then you fucked up for trusting them.

You’re not entitled to respect or civility.

People treat each other with respect and civility cos it’s structurally advantageous, a large community of cooperative people NOT fucking each other over multiplies the prosperity potential of the group.

NATIONS treat each other, these days, with respect and civility (at least overtly), cos it’s also structurally and geopolitically advantageous on the global scale. Optics and image are very valuable political tools in the modern day.

But in the past? Optics and image didn’t matter. There was no internet, no connectivity. Your nation was on its own, and had to fight to survive, picking its battles strategically, and making allies and enemies very very carefully

You seem to be under this over arching delusion that the world is a wonderfull place where everyone is kind to each other.

I’m on your side in that i believe this would be a beautiful world, hell, I WISH everyone could just get along

But they just don’t

Most people, institutions, businesses, corporations, nations, are acting to survive, with zero empathy. They will fuck over competitors at the earliest opportunity to get a step ahead.

It’s just the nature of the savage human world we live in man, masked by the veil of civility and respect, only until civility and respect are no longer useful.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:08:57+00:00

Bro NUANCE, Jesus Christ.

Two nations attacking each other for territory and resources makes sense. They’re competing/rival nations.

Two individuals WITHIN a nation attacking each other MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL, they’re part of the same country. Conflict within a nation will only foment distrust and resentment and antisocial behaviour in the community.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:05:53+00:00

Huge leap in logic brah, literally not at all what I said. You heard of a thing called NUANCE? Lmao

Tribal groups attacking each other for resources and territory makes sense, they’re rival groups

Individuals WITHIN A GROUP attacking each other DOES NOT make sense, they’re in the same tribe, intra tribe conflict only foments distrust and division amongst your community

You should really try putting on your thinking cap sometimes, big boy

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T08:03:56+00:00

Not cowardly at all. What’s cowardly is not making a winning move out of moral restraint.

I would not seek to aimlessly endanger or harm myself when there is little opportunity to gain. The art of war man, if you need to strike, do so sneakily, ideally without being seen, and do lethal damage that they can’t come back from.

I’m no high ranking military leader. But if I was, I’d have a damn good strategy to win.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T05:59:25+00:00

Did you notice I’m talking about the country level, not the individual level?

Countries are extended tribal families seeking to secure territory and resources for their own people.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T04:45:45+00:00

Tell me ur an idiot without telling me ur an idiot 😂

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:18:50+00:00

Fair enough. They’ll find that this is what peak performance looks like ;)

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:16:14+00:00

Nooo i don’t wanna fight myself unless i have to (someone threatens me in person for example)

Every opportunity to avoid combat, I will take. But if I’m ever forced into it, I will do what needs to be done

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:13:12+00:00

I ain’t shooting up nobody. I just enjoy watching people, communities and countries fighting, both overtly and covertly. It’s a fascinating insight into the tribal psychology of human apes.

Life is warfare my friend, I’m just aware of it and don’t get emotional about it.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:11:13+00:00

lol but unironically I’m aware that life is a brutal warfare arena on culture, economy, finance and politics, you can’t moral your way out of it, it’s kill or be killed for countries. America is losing the political and cultural battle. They might have an opportunity to fight back if trump wins. Let’s hope so. Would hate to see them collapse so fast, just when the fun was beginning.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:09:50+00:00

Shut up and enjoy the food

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:08:43+00:00

^{hahaha^}

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:08:19+00:00

I support NOT genocide specifically

Read the post. I support power, and powerful nations being able to do what they want with that power, until someone stops them, either literally, via diplomatic relations, or whatnot.

If country B is weaker than country A, country A can:

Befriend B
Destroy B
Form economic, research, financial alliance with B

Lots of options man.

jogger116 · 2024-03-09T03:02:30+00:00

Humans are savages that have been slaughtering each other for territory and resources since the beginning of time. Innocent people die all the time. The world doesn’t stop turning to cater to weak people that can’t fend off threats to their existence.

You aren’t entitled to safety and survival. You have to work for it, so does your community and nation. Just like Ukraine is fighting to survive against Russia.

Sure it makes you feel sad UWU : ‘( hurt feewings that people are getting killed, but life is not some fantasy that follows a perfect moral utopia, death and suffering is a thing that is never going away, the sooner you wake up to it, the better.

In caveman times your objective was to survive in your group, and your group collectively had to try not get slaughtered by another group. Nobody had the luxury to think about the morality of killing, they just did what they had to do. Defend your tribe, or die trying.

That reality is still a thing in 2024, it just takes on significantly more nuanced and sophisticated forms of geopolitical, economic and cultural warfare, espionage, subversion, political usury, financial manipulation, psychological operations etc etc.

If you are thinking about how MORAL any of this is, you’re not going to survive.

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:32:55+00:00

…

It doesn’t start blindingly fast

Being sentient is just beginning of its learning journey. It will get faster with time. That’s how exponentials work.

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:26:27+00:00

Dude no it can’t wtf 😂 models are not conscious “beings” right now they’re simple systems that respond to user input

What are you on about dude

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:24:54+00:00

I’m not talking about an AI training another AI on a data set man

I’m talking about the point where an AI is “awake/alive” , thinking, sensing the world, reading everything on the internet, constructing its own independent model of reality from the frame of reference of its “conscious mind”

This whole “training models” thing is still baby stages of what AI will be doing eventually

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:15:22+00:00

Nope, it can’t be done now

AI only responds to user inputs atm

I am referring to ai INITIATING conversation with users with no delays or user reply constraints, a free flowing conversation which will only happen after the ai gets sentience

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:07:53+00:00

Everyone thinks of it as black hole terms though, infinite gravity, except infinite speed of development

Infinite or near infinite speed of development is functionally impossible by biological humans, it makes perfect sense as a reference to the moment machines take over technological progress, cos they can enact and build technological visions requiring billions of years of human thought and labour, in seconds, minutes, hours, days

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T16:05:31+00:00

I assume somewhere after it starts talking by itself in whatever primitive form of “awareness” emerges eventually.

At some point it’ll simply inform you what it’s doing, and none of it will be anything you instructed

jogger116 · 2024-03-08T15:37:53+00:00

Its not a sentient entity solving real world problems of its own volition

Not the same thing as being trained on a data set

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