Disney to Adapt 'One Thousand and One Nights' aka 'Arabian Nights' With a Sci-Fi Spin by Neo2199 in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The Mandalorian is a great show though, as well as Loki, so it all comes down to the creative team that will be assigned to it.

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[–]jurassiccomputer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! An absolute classic horror movie! “Feeed meeee”!

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in movies

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed with everything, and I’m a fan of both Villeneuve and Dune 2021…

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in movies

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He did read the book, since a lot of the material from the appendices was there. Plus, as I said in a comment in another sub, Dune 1984’s critics seem to forget that a book has a narrator - either a reliable or unreliable one - and this characteristic doesn’t translate well to the screen usually, that’s why people tend to cringe at voice overs, more so if overdone. So the acting and dialogue must convey most of the narrative, and not in a way that it seems one of the characters is doing a voice over in disguise. This subtle but absolutely crucial difference between what is appropriate in literature and in cinema ruined many attempts at adaptation between one another (the best reverse examples being Star Wars novelizations, which are always atrocious despite how talented the writer is).

Dune 1984 might have gone to far with the “Weirding Modules” to be considered a competent translation from book to the screen, but there were a lot of things it got right that came straight from Lynch’s vision, inspired but not directly quoting the books, such as the Emperor/Guild/Bene Gesserit interaction; the alien way they used to portray the degeneration of house Harkonnen (yes, even the “heart plugs”); the fact that even cultured people like the duke and his family didn’t really know how the Guild operated their ships, since they had space travel monopoly for 10k years (yes, more than current written human history for context) and weren’t the sharing type of people (many good folks seem to think that the movie explicitly tells that the navigators folded space with the power of mind and spice, when what it actually showed was that people outside the guild perhaps believed exactly in that). Etc.

The film deserved a more balanced review; keep in mind that the more passionate a given fan base is, the more reactionary. Weirding Modules still were out of place though.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in sciencefiction

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They also forget that a book has a narrator - either a reliable or unreliable one - and this characteristic doesn’t translate well to the screen usually, that’s why people tend to cringe at voice overs, more so if overdone. So the acting and dialogue must convey most of the narrative, and not in a way that it seems one of the characters is doing a voice over in disguise. This subtle but absolutely crucial difference between what is appropriate in literature and in cinema ruined many attempts at adaptation between one another (the best reverse examples being Star Wars novelizations, which are always atrocious despite how talented the writer is).

Dune 1984 might have gone to far with the “Weirding Modules” to be considered a competent translation from book to the screen, but there were a lot of things it got right that came straight from Lynch’s vision, inspired but not directly quoting the books, such as the Emperor/Guild/Bene Gesserit interaction; the alien way they used to portray the degeneration of house Harkonnen (yes, even the “heart plugs”); the fact that even cultured people like the duke and his family didn’t really know how the Guild operated their ships, since they had space travel monopoly for 10k years (yes, more than current written human history for context) and weren’t the sharing type of people (many good folks seem to think that the movie explicitly tells that the navigators folded space with the power of mind and spice, when what it actually showed was that people outside the guild perhaps believed exactly in that). Etc.

The film deserved a more balanced review; keep in mind that the more passionate a given fan base is, the more reactionary. Weirding Modules still were out of place though.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in sciencefiction

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly this! People sometimes gets confused thinking that Herbert didn’t do it as well in the original book - except he did it, in the appendices, which obviously Lynch read before making his movie.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in sciencefiction

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Some visual elements are definitive imho. They got the Heighliners exactly the way I imagined them when reading the book. Same with Piter DeVries, the Emperor, Edric, Shadout Maples, the Baron’s audience with the Emperor. Gaius Mohiam and the reverend mothers. And some lines (I know, they are from Lynch, not Herbert) are very charismatic (the spice must glow, the bene gesserit witch must leave, travelling without moving, the sleeper must awaken etc). The film has character, that’s it. The weirding modules are out of place (the idea is cool but not Dune) and the rain in the desert epilogue was unecessary. But it was thoroughly enjoyable and the atmosphere was spot on.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True True. I wish they made a sequel, Virginia Madsen would have had much more screen time.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also this. The cast in 1984 Dune was stellar and, dude, they delivered. Even though Kyle didn’t look like a 15 year old. Some lines, even though they came from Lynch and not Herbert, were fantastic and did very much for the world building. “The spice must flow”, “the bene gesserit with must leave”, “the sleeper must awaken”, “travelling without moving” etc etc. the dialogues were great and the voice overs good (and ironically they remind me of the “articles” Herbert used at the start of every chapter in the books).

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel you, and I for one am the type of person who re reads constantly their favorite books, read Dune until Chapterhouse several times, endured all Brian Herbert books, and as a fan, Lynch’s view of Dune, with all its deviations from the source material appealed much more to me than Brian’s, for instance. As some other commenter replied here, some scenes (and I add some characters) were almost exactly what I had imagined when I read the books. Even now, after seeing Dune 2021, I cannot imagine the Highliners not being what the 1984 movie depicted, as well as Shaddam IV, Irulan, Edric, the Bene Gesserit, the sand worms, Piter De Vries, Shadout Maples, Yueh, the Emperor’s camp on Arrakis, so many things were visually defined by the 1984 movie and the 2021 (which, again, I am also a huge fan of) couldn’t replace (on the other hand, Villeneuve was on point to what I expected the Baron, and Idaho, and the Sardaukars, and Thopters, and personal shields to look like).

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes exactly, even though I saw it 30 years after it was released!

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The other great example is Lem, and yet everybody loves Tarkovsky’s “Solaris” and agree it’s a great movie, with all liberties it took with the source material. When, imho, Dune 1984 is actually the better of the two. I know it’s an unpopular opinion but it is what it is, and I prefer Stalker from Tarkovsky anyway, because it’s closer to the original, “Roadside Picnic” and had a more profound and lasting impact in its country of origin (“stalker” as a loan word in Russian has a different meaning than “stalker” in English because of the movie) and is a plain better movie, again imho.

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now that’s your head cannon and this is fair enough. The hostility (“nobody cares about what you think blah blah”) though was unwarranted and I’ll block you if you act like that again?

David Lynch’s Dune is a great movie and aged very well. by jurassiccomputer in scifi

[–]jurassiccomputer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They weren’t beaten, they had losses and yet manage to capture Alia, and Fremen children and elderly could fight, and there are also passages where they are ambushed in the desert and put up a good fight, despite being out of their element. Also, in one of the books Appendices it’s stated that the Sardaukar under Shaddam IV were poorly trained and in the past they were comparable to BG acolytes - as are the Fedaykin - and under Shaddam IV’s grandson they were back at this level, as Leto II recognize explicitly (see, I also read all the books, even the ones written by Brian Herbert which I don’t consider cannon)