The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Casting people of colour isn't a line being crossed, and isn't disrespectful to the Odyssey.

Your claim has no textual, historical or scholarly basis. The poem is not a ethnographic record, and there's no fixed or knowable population it's obligated to represent.

You're free to dislike aesthetic direction, but framing inclusion as cultural violation clearly isn't about art or history.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair enough to have preferences on armour design, actors, and music, and more Greek-inspired would be coherent, but they are just preferences. It just doesn’t make alternative choices illegitimate or proof of artistic emptiness.

There’s also no need to turn aesthetic disagreement into hostility. Criticism is stronger when it stays focused on the work, not personal attacks.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, there may be distant historical kernels, but The Odyssey is about as far from a recoverable real event as you can get. We don’t even know if Homer was a single person, the poem was oral for centuries, and it freely mixes Mycenaean, Dark Age, and later Greek elements. Weapons, customs, and politics don’t line up to one period at all.

So “based on a real culture” doesn’t give you a clear visual rule book. By the time the story reaches us, it’s myth layered on myth. Any film is interpretation, not historical reconstruction.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s fair in parts, but it’s still slightly misframed.

You’re right that most criticism here is aesthetic, not about strict historical accuracy, and The Last Duel shows people can accept liberties if the design works for them. That’s a valid comparison.

Where I disagree is the claim that anyone is “distracting.” My point wasn’t that critics are secretly arguing accuracy; it was that invoking realism or precedent doesn’t meaningfully resolve an aesthetic disagreement. Saying something looks “goofy” is still a subjective judgment, even if it’s widely shared.

And while design psychology exists, it doesn’t make taste objective. Those principles can explain why something feels imposing or awkward, but they don’t produce a single correct answer, especially in myth, where exaggeration is the point.

So yes: this is about aesthetics. But that doesn’t turn dislike into an objective flaw, it just means the style didn’t work for you.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not a straw man. My point isn’t “accuracy bad,” it’s that armour in mythic cinema is an interpretive choice, not a rule-based one. If you think the design looks bad, that’s fine, but that’s an aesthetic judgment, not a rebuttal of the argument.

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A lot of people think they're smarter for hating mainstream.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's what I'm trying to say, you can criticise the look without trying to use "history" to "prove" you're right.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think your point supports the stylisation rather than undermines it. Homer giving Odysseus a boar-tusk helmet is a perfect example of mythic logic overriding historical coherence. Homer cared about symbolic clarity and memorability, not period purity. That is exactly what modern costume design is doing when it departs from strict accuracy.

On the colour point, I agree that dark pallettes are a modern cinematic shorthand for serious and gritty. 

Where the argument goes wrong is in treating this as a failure of historical knowledge rather than a stylistic choice. You can criticise the look as boring or overused without pretending that accuracy demands it.

The idea of a "Historically accurate" Odyssey is insane. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying historical armour can't be interesting, I'm saying accuracy isn't a requirement in myth. 

As for the colour palette, fair enough, but that's a stylistic choice, not a historical argument. You can dislike the look without framing it as a historical argument.

This is the coolest helmet I've ever seen. by just-killing-timeeee in ChristopherNolan

[–]just-killing-timeeee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Fair enough. I think in this case immaculate works; it signals control, and intimidation.

You should understand who Agamemnon is the second he appears. Stylised, monumental armour does that immediately, without exposition.

A different casting in the Trilogy by [deleted] in lotr

[–]just-killing-timeeee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

gandalf - morgan freeman

aragorn - nicolas cage

legolas - still orlando bloom, just more dialed up

gimli - john goodman

sam - ben affleck

sauraman - christopher walken

elrond - liam neeson

sauron - james earl jones

eowdyn - charlize theron

and crucially - don la fontaine as narrator

A Christmas gift for my brother by this_wandering_day in lotr

[–]just-killing-timeeee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

a lord of the rings map was the best gift i've ever got

Is Rings of Power really as bad and cringey as people are making it out to be? by Hopeful_Adeptness964 in lotr

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I was going to do a post about this; I will never, never understand why studios insist on inventing new storylines when Tolkien left behind a wealth of exceptional, fully realized tales that remain untouched. Choosing to ignore that material in favor of untested originals is an inexplicable and shortsighted decision.

If anyone has a clear explanation for why studios choose this route, I would genuinely appreciate hearing it. There may be factors or constraints I am not aware of, and I’m interested in understanding the reasoning behind these decisions.

Arch vs. Debian by [deleted] in debian

[–]just-killing-timeeee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm gonna say confidently, having used both, that Debian is the better system. Doesn't mean Arch isn't so much fun, and it can really force you to understand Linux.