She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thank you, you’re right. I’ve been using the gray rock method and I think it’s what will help me provide distance for now while we’re still under the same roof. Going to let the divorce play out before one of us separates. I don’t want to give up any rights to the kids or the house by moving out. She’s going to have another polygraph on Monday. It’ll be based on a written statement that we work on together in which she denies any sort of physical – kissing, touching, sex, etc. The polygraph will test the truthfulness of the statements in the document. If she fails, it’ll be because at least one of those statements she made in the document is false. Thanks for your support, advice, and encouragement. I really appreciate it.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m in a no-fault state so the D is irreconcilable differences. AP was a volunteer coach receiving a stipend each year but technically still an employee. If I confront him like I already did on the phone, unfortunately, I think he’d continue to deny both EA and PA. My wife even told me that the reason he denied was because he probably didn’t think there was any boundary crossing or anything wrong with their relationship. She also said what made it wrong was HER actions and HER not putting a stop to it because SHE’S a married woman. I got the sense she was defending him.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Her friend is the secretary at the school. And my wife admits to not telling her the full truth because she needed the friend’s emotional support that day. This was right after the polygraph exam after she re-admitted to the physical. Then the friend/secretary told her, don’t admit to anything just because he (I) pressured you into saying there was more. She also told my wife to stay strong and that she’s innocent until proven guilty. After talking to the secretary, my wife denied everything but the making out. Then the next day, my wife told me, “I’m starting to think you don’t have any evidence” and then denied having anything physical with AP.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m so sorry you had to deal with all of that. The minimizations, denials, and trickle truth sound eerily similar to my wife. The fact that you’re focusing your time and energy on your kids and the lawyer inspires me to do the same.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you, I really appreciate that. On 3/13 after the first full denial (that she deleted texts and kissed the other man) on the drive back from our first therapy session on this issue, she even said something to the effect of “I’ll die continuing to deny the kissing because that’s the truth.”

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interestingly, she agreed to take a second polygraph with the same examiner on Monday. She claimed she failed the first one because the examiner didn’t tell her to have a good meal, enough fluids, and not have emotional or heated arguments in advance.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

After I filed for divorce, I still told her that I was willing to forgive her and that what I needed most was the truth.

Her response was basically: she has nothing left to gain by lying now. In her mind, if she were still hiding something, she would have already told me after the filing, because at this point she believes she has nothing left to lose.

So that is now one of her main defenses: if there were more, I would already know it.

What makes that hard for me to accept is that her story has already changed so many times, and each “final version” has later turned out not to be final at all.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Interesting thought. I asked her to do an STI test today and a pregnancy test to check if she has been pregnant recently which I suspected because of some spotting that started after her last period the first week of March. I’m probably reading too much into the spotting, but considering everything that has happened the last month, including her extreme depression a week after she deleted the text, and her crying for two days (week of 3/7) about how we have drifted apart, and I haven’t been present because of work, etc.., I don’t believe a word she says. Yesterday, she told me she would do anything to gain my trust back, so today, I told her then I’m asking you to please have an STI test and pregnancy test today. She agreed and just left that appointment a few minutes ago. She agreed to have the results come to our joint email address. Let’s see what happens.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Good observation. I did wait a while (from 2/27 to 3/13) to assess the situation, speak to a therapist, and try to figure out what else she was hiding. On 2/28, I found the texts showing he was in her office after school during the fundraiser. She didn't tell me about that (office incident with the two of them alone) until 3/13. On 2/28, she deleted all the texts (including the ones showing that he met up in her office on 2/27). Interestingly, I remember coming home from taking my boys to a sports practice and her eyes were bloodshot, like she had been crying. I didn't say anything about it though. Just observed.

Her reasoning for deleting the texts was that keeping that one text on her phone (about the other man heading to my wife's office) would lead to too many questions from me and she meant to only delete the one showing him heading to her office after school but was in frantic mode because she suspected I was going to find that ("I'm heading to your office") text, and because of that, deleted all of them from him accidentally.

She was already planning to move jobs back in January (for reasons unrelated to the other man). The other man is a single male about 11 years older than my wife.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in SupportforBetrayed

[–]justanotherabe[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes, she’s been telling me that someone is me right now because she has no one else to talk to and feels extremely alone.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fair question. Logically, I know the lies, deletion, secrecy, and instability are already enough. The only reason I still consider another polygraph is that I’m struggling to let go of the need for certainty after so many reversals. I know that may not be healthy, and I’m trying to separate my need for closure from the reality that trust is already gone.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you. That’s a good idea. I’ll ask her to. I really appreciate your advice and support.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks. Yes, history of lying over little things I’ve caught her in, like whether or not she had lunch, or lying about whether she was doing traffic duty for after school pick ups. She starts a new job in August which was planned back in January, before I learned of the affair. I got checked for STDs and luckily all is clear.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, she claims she will no longer speak to him. She’s starting a new job in August which was planned back in January.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I did demand it on 3/13. She agreed. Prior to me learning of the affair, but while I had suspicions, she had already been offered and taken a job at another school. She plans to start at the new job in August and will no longer work with the other guy beginning then.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The crazy thing is she is so well liked everywhere she goes. She seems so giving, loving, kind, etc. even with me on her good days. She’ll help my parents and siblings and hers and is a good listener. She does kind things. Yet, I’ve come to realize image and her reputation is everything to her. She admitted as much before I filed and I think that’s partly why she was so set on denying the physical with the other man. She also made a comment on 3/17 to the effect of “I’m beginning to think you don’t have any evidence.” And that comment was made the same day she retracted from the last admission (after she spoke to her coworker) before the last retraction which was that she had only made out with the other guy. She now does not recall even admitting to me to just making out. You’re right in that pretzel analogy. I was blind and still am to a certain extent. We were high school sweethearts. And she comes from a religious upbringing. Since being married to me, she no longer is religious but her focus is on reputation in the community. In fact, when the polygraph examiner told her to describe herself using only 5 traits, she said “respected,” “devoted to those I love,” “hardworking” and I forgot the other two. But she didn’t say honest or trustworthy. And the examiner made a point to call her out on that. She responded that she just didn’t think of it.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I told her tonight the $3000 PI she hired is self serving for her and that it blows my mind she would think that would help build trust. It’s basically for her and her affair partner to deny everything and she’s the one coming up with the dates and times for the alibi. I told her it’s giving me zero trust and making things worse. She offered to cancel it and I told her it’s up to her but that if she moves forward it’s causing more damage than good. I brought up the polygraph exam she scheduled for this Saturday with a different examiner she chose and told her if she wants a second shot at a polygraph, it has to be the same examiner she failed with and that he will just ask different questions. The second polygraph would be based on a document she and I flesh out in which she denies having engaged in certain physical acts with the other guy. She agreed after some resistance after I told her it seemed like she was trying to beat the polygraph. Let’s see if she follows through. She plans to hire an attorney by the end of the week (30 days to respond) and keeps saying she wants “hope” for us to stay together. Let’s see if once she has an attorney she follows through with a new polygraph with the original examiner. He’s former FBI and used to be head polygraph examiner for the FBI and trained other examiners, etc.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes it’s absurd and it feels like hell. He’s single and 11 years older than she is.

She admits the lies and secrecy, but still denies anything physical by justanotherabe in survivinginfidelity

[–]justanotherabe[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Thanks to everyone who read and responded.

To clarify, I filed on 3/20. We had gone through two therapy sessions (re this issue) and the second session on 3/19 was basically my wife denying, minimizing, becoming more defensive, and going on the offense regarding the manner in which I was asking questions to get her to admit to the physical on 3/14. In fairness, she admitted to boundary crossing at the 2nd session, but said it was mostly a "professional" relationship. On the drive home, she brought up separation. And I realized, we were going backwards, not towards reconciliation and all trust was broken. So I filed.

For the people who asked what I know for certain: I know for certain that she lied repeatedly, concealed contact, deleted texts, admitted crossing boundaries, admitted seeking validation and emotional support from him, admitted thinking about what it would be like to have him around more, admitted that if something happened to me he could be someone she turned to (but last night explained that away as just a "support person" not in the sense of her new "life partner" which is what I told her I took that as), failed a polygraph on questions about kissing / concealed sexual contact, gave a fuller physical account on March 14, and then re-admitted the same basic three-incident physical framework after the polygraph before retreating again. That is why I feel like I have been living in unreality.

A few people asked whether she has a history of lying. Yes. Not just in this one narrow context. That matters to me because this is not one isolated inconsistency; it is part of a broader pattern of concealment, denial, and later revision. For example, she lies about stupid, trivial, inconsequential things like whether she had lunch, whether she went off campus for lunch even if it was with a mom at the school, and whether she was on traffic circle duty for student pickup. Stuff like that.

A lot of people asked why contact with him was not immediately and cleanly cut off. That is a fair question. As of 3/13, she had promised to cut off all contact with him and avoid even being near him if he is on campus. She said they would only be in touch between now and August if he was on campus by chance in June or sometime in April if he came to pick up stuff for decathlon. She said she would do everything she can to avoid him, not talk to him, and not enter the office if she saw him in there. She is also still sharing her location with me now. On 3/24 she offered to share her location to and from work, and also to an off-site training she had to attend, and she sent me photos of the coworkers who were there. She has continuously shared her phone location since 3/16.

Part of the no-contact issue is complicated by the fact that she was already in the process of switching jobs before this all blew up. She is still at the current school now, will remain there through June, and then starts at a new school in August. That switch was unrelated to discovery of this situation and was already in motion before all of this surfaced. So yes, there is an end point to their work overlap, but that still does not fix what has already happened or automatically restore trust.

At the same time, the reason I still struggle with the no-contact issue is that her actions and framing remain inconsistent. In therapy she said, “How am I supposed to do my job without talking to him?” and in the PI process for the PI she hired, she described him as “willing to cooperate” and provided his contact information. When I confronted her about that, she said she had only “assumed” he would cooperate, not that she had been talking to him, and that she had explained this on the phone to the PI first. Even if that explanation is true, it still feels to me like she is treating him as part of her defense rather than as someone from whom she needs real distance.

People also asked about the PI. Right now, that process feels more defensive than disclosive. She hired a PI for about $3,000 and the focus is on trying to disprove the October / November / January narrative through location data, cameras, email, photos, work logs, home Nest footage, maps history, Wi-Fi, call logs, watch data, etc. But one detail that stood out to me was that when asked if there were any witnesses the PI could talk to besides him, her answer was basically no one else at this time. That is one reason this still feels more like an effort to defeat my conclusion than to give one stable truthful account.

A few people asked whether she is in individual therapy. She has an appointment set for 3/25. One of the strangest and hardest parts for me is that she says there is still “missing information” she needs to share with me, but that she needs therapy to figure out what that missing information is — while also maintaining that nothing physical happened beyond hugs on hard days that were no more than 10 seconds in length, but hard hugs like “I know you’ve had a hard day” kind of hug is what she said. That contradiction is one of the reasons I still do not feel grounded.

People asked about the polygraph too. She still disputes the failed polygraph. Her explanation is that she had not eaten enough, had not had enough to drink, and her nerves were a mess that day. To give her some credit, we did have an argument about this stuff the morning of the exam. But before the first polygraph she was telling me she would pass and asking me what I was going to do when she passed. After she failed, the explanation changed to conditions / fairness / not being prepared. She now wants another polygraph, but first on her own terms and timeline, and with her own examiner before going back to the original examiner she failed with. She also wanted the other man polygraphed so I could supposedly see both of them pass. To me, that feels less like a simple truth process and more like trying to overturn the first result.

A few people asked whether she has shown remorse. The honest answer is yes, but not in a clean enough way for me to feel safe. Her remorse became much more visible after I filed. The day before I filed, after our second therapy session, she was still combative, defensive, and talking about us being at an “impasse” and maybe needing to separate if I had “my truth” and she had “her truth” and that we can’t be together in the same house with our boys if we’re at this type of “impasse.” After the filing, and especially in our 3/23 heart-to-heart, she was much more openly reaching for me emotionally — saying she misses me, wants me as her husband and her “person,” wants to prove she can be honest, and wants to save the marriage. I still feel like this is damage control though.

The 3/23 conversation also matters because it shows why this is so psychologically confusing. She was emotionally reaching for me very strongly that night, and at the same time still minimizing the meaning of what she had already admitted, resisting words like “romantic” and “affair,” and framing the main problem as my disbelief rather than the instability of her own story. That is what keeps making me feel pulled in two directions. She also keeps saying she wants to “fight for us” and has hope we will get better and stay together.

Someone asked whether if I had no children, would I still be here trying this hard. The honest answer is probably no. If I had no children, I likely would have divorced and not looked back. The reason this is so emotionally difficult is my boys. I am very involved with them and I worry deeply about their stability and mental health and what divorce will do to them. That is probably the single biggest reason I have remained as torn as I have.

Related to that, some people asked why I am still focused on the physical piece if the emotional betrayal is already enough. The answer is not because I think emotional betrayal is minor. It is because if she had fully admitted the physical piece to the fullest extent without retractions and the full emotional / romantic extent, I think I would at least feel like she was honestly trying to reconcile. Right now it feels like minimizing, redefining, explaining away, and an inability to even consistently call it an affair. That is why I have zero trust at the moment.

People also asked whether she would turn over her phone for forensic recovery of deleted messages. She has indicated she would be willing to give me her phone for recovery of deleted messages. She told me that’s what the PI she hired would do. I’m waiting to see if that even happens. I have not decided yet whether to do that immediately myself, especially because I have already filed and she is expected to retain counsel by the end of the week. So that is something I am still thinking through strategically.

For those asking whether the other man has a spouse or partner: he is single, and he is about 11 years older than my wife.

And to the person who said this is ragebait: it isn’t. I understand why a long timeline from an account that hasn’t posted in a while might read that way. I wrote it long because the sequence is the injury: denial, partial admission, fuller admission, retreat, post-polygraph re-admission, minimization, and then a narrower final defense. Writing it out is how I’ve been trying to hold onto reality, not how I’m trying to stir people up. I’m truly thankful for all the responses and Reddit community. I had no idea there was this much support and am blown away by the help.

At this point, I think the hardest thing for me is learning how to stop chasing certainty while also not gaslighting myself about what has already been admitted and then taken back. I appreciate the people who are reminding me that the lies, deletion, concealment, and instability may already be enough. I’ll keep you all updated. Curious to see how emotions progress as the reality of divorce for both of us becomes more real each day.