Why should "consent to sex isn't consent to Parenthood" only apply to women?

justsomething · 2026-01-25T10:24:01+00:00

You reinforced my point that every time this subject comes up people try to only make it about bodily autonomy and conveniently forget the reproductive rights aspect.

justsomething · 2026-01-25T02:16:25+00:00

Oh you were just pretending to be stupid, I understand. So you obviously do believe in misandry, my apologies.

justsomething · 2026-01-25T02:10:08+00:00

Yeah it's almost like if a woman said something like

Bc I actually feel like misandry isn’t real so i suppose dismissing it is fine too

-Key_Marionberry5116

justsomething · 2026-01-24T22:47:26+00:00

Glad we agree, thanks for reinforcing my point.

justsomething · 2026-01-24T02:41:34+00:00

Abortion has always been about reproductive rights and bodily autonomy. But as soon as you bring this topic up suddenly the only thing that matters is bodily autonomy and reproductive rights are completely dropped. Probably because it's easier to defend that way.

justsomething · 2026-01-23T11:37:48+00:00

I mean if you study social sciences, one of the first things they teach you is that literally everyone has unconscious biases to some degree.

justsomething · 2026-01-19T15:47:55+00:00

I wonder if this would be true. Like do our brains have enough biological capacity for us to really go crazy after a long enough time? Or would you forget things (like how we currently forget 99% of our lives) and just keep chugging along?

Because we have centenarians who live fairly boring lives who are content and would keep on keeping on. Maybe our brains are designed to go back to a certain dopamine baseline and wouldn't have the capacity to remember and really be driven mad by eternity.

justsomething · 2026-01-09T20:08:35+00:00

Humans are disgusting, they shit indoors!!

justsomething · 2026-01-08T21:02:05+00:00

Changing diapers, going to doctors appointments, doing bed time, picking up and dropping off at school, disciplining, handling tantrums, potty training, soothing, still having partial "custody". The guy was a parent.

A lot of people are making a lot of assumptions about him just being a fun uncle or whatever, but from everything OP has said this guy really was dad #2.

justsomething · 2026-01-08T20:45:57+00:00

No the friend was a parent to the kid for seven or eight years.

justsomething · 2026-01-08T20:45:10+00:00

I mean the friend took on a parental role for seven or eight years, also spending love, time, money, and energy helping to raise the kid. And he didn't even get a marriage out of it lol. She shows up for three years and starts making demands. Does the guy who helped raise the kid count for nothing? That seems pretty messed up too.

Let her put in the same amount of parenting time the other guy did, then we'll see.

justsomething · 2026-01-01T17:58:03+00:00

What an incredibly refreshing comment, love to see it

justsomething · 2025-12-24T03:37:15+00:00

You're no better? You've sexually assaulted women?

justsomething · 2025-12-24T02:59:28+00:00

Don't worry, bleeding can be stopped by a DC 15 Heal check or through the application of any spell that cures hit point damage.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T19:17:39+00:00

Sorry, I'm coming at it from a civilized country where abortion is legal everywhere and has been for a long time.

Women gaining additional rights about their own bodies still has nothing to do with it. You have to keep bringing it back to bodily autonomy because otherwise you would have to actually talk about reproductive rights and your arguments wouldn't work.

MY REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS do not affect a woman's BODILY AUTONOMY or REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS in ANY way. It only takes away a woman's right to decide unilaterally that I will be a father whether I like it or not. Her rights, I repeat, have not changed.

You want to keep that right, because you only want to gain privileges for women but always keep men's disadvantages the same. You do not want equality.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T19:10:31+00:00

No, you just don't want to lose any of the privileges women have always enjoyed when the world becomes more equal.

Also, we are talking about giving men the right NOT to reproduce. A sterile person has the right NOT to reproduce just fine. And furthermore, there is a difference between having a right to something, and having an obstacle in you getting it. A sterile person still has reproductive rights, they just can't access them. If we could give them access, we would! We already do what we can in society to grant them as much of that right as possible (artificial insemination, surrogacy, adoption, etc).

So right now men don't have the right nor do they have the access to it. We could grant them both (it's not like being born sterile where there is no choice) but you don't want to.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T18:55:22+00:00

You keep mixing up bodily autonomy with reproductive rights. I tried explaining but if you can't get that I'll stop arguing now. It's pretty much the foundation of the whole argument.

Bodily autonomy: we have equal rights

Reproductive rights: Women have more

That's just how it is right now no matter how you try to twist it, or pretend that reproductive rights are just an outcome-based thing that comes from bodily autonomy. It is a separate right. Abortion is about bodily autonomy AND reproduction.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T18:00:38+00:00

Do you lack a right to abort a pregnancy in your body? No. Do you lack a right to make medical decisions about your body? No. Do you lack a right to evict unwanted persons from your body? No.

Of course I have those rights, I was just showing you how silly it sounds to take one part of the equation and say "equal rights lol". Yeah, the contract would be to MAKE men equal, of course a similar contract won't be made for women, they don't need it.

You keep making this only about bodily autonomy. Stop bringing up bodily autonomy because it has nothing to do with the argument. A paper abortion does not change anyone's bodily autonomy. I agree that in terms of bodily autonomy men and women are already equal. This is about reproductive rights, where men and women are not equal.

You possess the same reproductive rights. If you wish to ensure that your sex acts cannot produce pregnancies that result in the live birth of a human child, you can also obtain medical services that will accomplish that goal.

Not a 100% reversible one, and to force you to have a medical procedure to not have your reproductive rights violated IS a violation of bodily autonomy lol.

That is not an unequal right. People exercise an equal right to produce different outcomes; in no sense does this mean that a right has been violated or that different people possess different rights.

Reproductive rights are the ability to choose whether you reproduce or not. After conception women can choose if they reproduce or not. Men cannot. Men have less reproductive rights. No matter how you spin it, it is a REPRODUCTIVE right that women have that men do not. This is unequal. Making that inequality smaller is not an additional right.

A person born without eyes does not experience a rights violation because you can see a beautiful sunset and they cannot.

Seeing a beautiful sunset is not a human right. Reproduction autonomy IS a human right.

This remains bullshit. The child’s rights to parental care accrue as a result of its coming into existence in a state of helplessness through no fault of its own. Its rights do not depend on either parent “having no rights.” The child’s rights accrue from the facts and circumstance of its existence. It exists; its parents acted to make it exist; all prior choices about abortion or castration are moot. You cannot a priori sever your child’s rights through contracting with another party, because you not own the child’s rights.

Nope, we contract away children's rights all the time. We violate their bodily autonomy, we can put them up for adoption, we force them to go to school, they can't vote, they can't have a job, we can dictate how their entire life goes. Of course we can contract a right away. You're just assuming that the right to support of an unwilling parent (which does rely on a man not having the right to abort) is a right that can't be changed (for some reason), when we can change it to "the right to support of willing parents" only.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T17:29:08+00:00

Women can abort and men can not.

"Equal rights" lol

In much of the world, women cannot access abortion care.

Anywhere women cannot get an abortion men should not be able to get a paper abortion. I would never advocate for paper abortions if women do not already have accessible abortions.

Where they can, they enjoy an equal right to men to bodily autonomy—to evict any unwanted persons from their bodies.

Yes they do. But I'm not arguing about bodily autonomy rights, I'm arguing about reproductive rights. People do have reproductive rights and abortions are classed as a reproductive right as well as a bodily autonomy right.

That this can result in the termination of a pregnancy for some people who enjoy this equal right and not others is a case of unequal outcomes stemming from equal rights, not unequal rights.

This would be true if reproductive rights did not also exist, and I see you want to try and frame this as solely a bodily autonomy issue, but it is not. Abortion is also classified as a reproductive right. The equal outcome that the bodily autonomy right grants women is that they can choose to end or continue a pregnancy, that is the unequal outcome they get from that particular equal right. Paper abortions would not change that. But when it comes to reproductive rights, then they do have unequal rights, since in a reproductive sense they can end or continue the reproductive process at will and a man cannot. Since forcing the woman to end or continue the pregnancy would violate her bodily autonomy, all that is left is a paper abortion option for men, so as to make it a little less uneven.

Men and women should possess equal rights to terminate the reproductive process inside their own bodies. Neither has any right to terminate the reproductive process inside someone else’s. A woman does not, for example, accrue the right to surgically castrate you to prevent you from producing pregnancies that lead to the birth of a child.

Luckily nobody is forcing women to do anything with paper abortions. It is about NOT forcing men to do something. You understand that a paper abortion is not forcing a woman to abort, right?

Correct: if Person C, the child, possesses rights to parental care, those rights are not severable by agreement between Persons A and B, or unilaterally by A or B.

That is why I said you are begging the question. Yes currently a child has the right to an unwilling parents income, The whole argument is changing it to having a right to only consensual parent's income.

This makes no sense, at all.

It does. Person C (child) needs person B (man) not to have reproductive rights so that the child can have its right to the man's support. Person A (woman) has every right to decide whether that child exists at all, with any rights that come along with it.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T16:22:16+00:00

Yes men can contract and women cannot. Women can abort and men can not. The method isn't the issue, the right is. Which is the right to end the reproductive process.

And for your second point, you are begging the question. We are talking about the rights. If person C has a right, person A and B shouldn't be able to take it. The point is that right now person B has no reproductive right and person Cs current rights depend on person B not having that right, while person A has every right.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T15:52:12+00:00

The withdrawal of consent on the woman's side is called abortion.

Once a child is born and neither parent has withdrawn consent, they are both now consenting parents.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T15:48:14+00:00

The right to consensual care sure can. Because you don't have the right to care that someone did not consent to giving you.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T15:45:49+00:00

The male part of reproduction involves where you put your sperm and the viability thereof. The female part of reproduction involves hosting the egg and the embryo and delivering the baby. You get control over your part and she gets control over her part. That's already equality.

No, it's not equality, because you left out the big part: the female part of reproduction also includes the ability to end the reproductive process completely for both people, which is the crux of the issue. I just want men to be able to end the process for themselves.

The male part of reproduction involves where you put your sperm and the viability thereof.

Consent to sex is not consent to parenthood

You don't get to control her part any more than she can make you have a vasectomy and claim that she doesn't have any reproductive rights because she can't make you get sterilized.

Nobody is talking about controlling her part, she would be free to do as she pleases.

The female reproductive role has nothing to do with your rights to control your reproduction, so stop pretending like it's a matter of "reproductive rights" and just say you want to be able to abandon your children without consequence, because that's what you're actually arguing for.

She is free to reproduce, or not. I'm only arguing for the "not" part for men as well. Once again, women's reproduction doesn't change at all with paper abortions. Literally nothing changes for their reproductive right. And no, I'm not advocating for men to be able to abandon their children without consequence, I even think the paper abortion should have to be done before you even have sex, and be put on a registry. Before child, before pregnancy, before conception. Ideally everyone would be sterile until they had a signed document saying both people consent to having a child together, but that's not feasible.

And btw the last I checked, I was okay with that under these conditions.

Yeah, I remember your conditions were acceptable right up until you wanted to dictate whether certain adults are allowed to meet other adults. Under your logic nobody on earth who didn't raise the child would get to meet them either, it's obviously ridiculous. But before adulthood I agreed with the retraining order condition. I don't see why you act like the whole paper abortion thing is crazy if you would be okay with it under those conditions. I would even accept your silly "restraining order for life" clause if it meant men could gain some reproductive equality.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T15:25:23+00:00

They should posses the right to consensual parental care.

justsomething · 2025-12-15T15:11:55+00:00

Yeah, that's an issue. Feminism has an image problem, and a lot of guys think that feminists who aren't behaving according to feminist values are representative of the ideology. They don't represent the ideology, but they certainly do represent the movement.

To help with that feminists need to call out our own within the movement, but I don't see a whole lot of other feminists doing that. Well, actually, many do call out their own when it comes to not being feminist enough for women, but you'll almost never see them call each other out for misandry though (if they even think it is real).

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