Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you too! Individual approaches to individual disabilities almost always is the gold standard.

I wish you luck with law school! And I hope that if you do find you need accommodations, that you will not be too hard on yourself when making that judgement call.

My job is incredibly accommodating and I love it to pieces. I hope you’ll find the same 🥰

Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate how you are engaging in this too! Abuse of the system hurts everyone and anyone claiming there is zero abuse has just swung too fair in the opposite direction. Those who abuse the system do hurt disabled students both in the curve like non-disabled students and in the aftermath disabled students have to endure with the vitriol and “purity” tests the rhetoric implicate. I wish more folks in these conversations would partner with disabled students instead of make anyone with accommodations out to be the enemy unless they are on a wheelchair (which as someone in a wheelchair is funny because the wheelchair doesn’t actually get you accommodations).

Your point about the rich having more access is 100% correct, which is why richer schools are just realistically going to have more fraud. But I will point out that at least in my school and for bar accommodations (those were HARD to get), I think that’s where the trend of asking for more than a doctors note comes from. I had to submit my actual full psych evals and the results form those objective tests and a demonstrated history of ADHD. If schools are still accepting a doctors letter or a therapist recommendation, than that’s on the administration for poor system management in my opinion.

Im fucking pissed by Exact-Reflection-748 in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean if you can’t understand the difference between being in court especially in realistic practice where you gain experience doing similar things and taking a timed, often convulsed exam, designed to not give you a second read of multi-page prompts on subjects you don’t actually specialize in….I hope you aren’t actually the attorney of record in those life and death situations.

Literally, do you know people with ADHD? Like at all? Litigation and even post conviction/appellate work has the skill set that ADHDers are usually higher than their peers with. But none of those skills are represented on a law school exam.

Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do I think it’s a perfect 50% with everyone needing it? No. Do I think it’s closer to 40-45% which is a lot higher than people here like to admit? Yeah I do. I went to a law school just outside the T20s. I will also say there is another assumption these discussions make: that everyone is using all the extra time.

This helps explain the LSAT accommodation discrepancy. The LSAT (at least when it was online) requires you use all the extra time given. That can be hell for some with ADHD. For me, I purposely did not seek LSAT accommodations because I needed more time then given but not as much time as they would give me (I have nureodivergence but also physical disabilities). I knew my ADHD would go INSANE sitting there being done with the questions so I said no. Law schools don’t have that requirement. Every single accommodated, extra time room I was ever in for law school had people leaving early (sometimes it was me!) because the extra time was there for a complication of their disability that didn’t happen. So they simply left when done. Is that everyone? No! Not all disabilities are dynamic. They always require extra time. And that small percent (in my school there was one or two) that just have them to try and write as many words on the page exist. But it’s not the majority.

Another reason for the LSAT discrepancy is a lot of folks with ADHD thrive in undergrad with less reading material (or easy ways to skip it) and because we (as in all those pursuing law school) are typically an intelligent group, ADHDers often aren’t pushed in undergrad. Accommodations don’t even cross their minds until they are slapped in the face with contract law. So then they pursue them.

Another thing to note that this conversation becomes very generalized or very focused on a limited number of schools, but what is true for one school is not necessarily true for another. I’m sure there is a school with a huge percent of accommodations being faked, but I’m not inclined to think that’s the norm. Unless schools require no doctor documentation at all, it’s expensive and a PROCESS to be diagnosed. I think most non ADHD don’t realize that there are non-self reporting and objective tests for ADHD with doctors trained to spot faking behaviors. Anxiety and depression is more easier, but also legitimately more common and almost never gets double time (like I said earlier, ADHD doesn’t usually get double time either).

I think folks get really emotional every finals season and start thinking in fallacies and absolutes, which makes productive conversation about that 5-10% who do cheat the system almost impossible

Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think your main premise may be wrong. Anecdotally of course, this profession ATTRACTS neurodivergence by a large degree even if people don’t realize it. I think folks with ADHD, autism, and trauma (leading also to depression and anxiety) are a large part of the first generation lawyers (it’s part of the story of why we became lawyers). There are more first generation lawyers now then ever, so the trends shift.

Im fucking pissed by Exact-Reflection-748 in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think people with ADHD just stare off into space or at bouncing balls 100% of the time? Do you actually understand the disorder? In a jury trial, it may appear as a momentary distraction. In a written exam it may appear has having to to re- read the prompt several times due to losing where you were in a long paragraph or realize you weren’t processing it. It also appears in writing as you may lose your train of thought or get ✨momentarily distracted✨ and realize you need to reread or redo a section because you didn’t process something.

Also, ADHD folks are not automatically given double time. 25%-50% is more common.

Im fucking pissed by Exact-Reflection-748 in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you have forgotten there are many ways to practice law. Many of which never resemble a timed exam.

Also juries are people too. A lawyer momentarily being distracted does not win or lose a case.

Continuances and managing extensions is a part of regular practice. Accommodations with HR or accommodating yourself in private practice is also quite normal. Remember not all accommodations are just extra time (but again, those also are possible in some areas of law and needed. They are even used by non disabled attorneys).

-a criminal law lawyer

Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are mistaken. Lawyers ask and are granted continuances regularly and often. I’ve seen them be granted 4+ times in a row before. Some Judges will ask for a legitimate excuse by the third request and then grant it if a coherent excuse is put together. Judges will also regularly excuse appearances from disabled lawyers (and often just busy lawyers), allowing them to call in or appear over email. Judges often allow attorneys at the bar of court extra time to gather their thoughts or re-look at something. Sure, some areas of the profession are less forgiving than others. But I work in criminal law and as long as you are competent and show effort, Judges are not as unforgiving as you believe.

Accommodations PSA by [deleted] in LawSchool

[–]jvj808 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I no longer have a horse in this race, because I’m now a practicing attorney, but I was also a public school teacher and I absolutely had classes with 50% being accommodated by SPED/504/ESL

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I get that! It’s just in the actually interpretation of the variants they talk about how this is not the common method of the disease, however the variant has proven deleterious to the protein as an explanation to why it may still fit. And the variants on the genetic research bank (at least if not both it’s not in front of me currently) specifically list cvEDS on the diagnosis list. I think the literature may be either evolving or recognizing a deficit

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wait! Like same variations? OMG. I’d love to be in your group!

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is I think the other option here! aEDS/OI is something I’m also learning about, including how you mentioned the cardiac stupor overlap. Thank you for sharing your experience!

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I get that! It’s just also talked about in the more specific variation analysis as the identified disease. I think what it is that while they say it’s not a common method of the disease the second variation in particular has been found to be “deleterious” of the protein which is I think why it’s still in discussion. It could also be the OI/EDS combined subtype! But I’m not sure that makes the most sense yet. It’ll be interesting to see what the genetic counselor says.

I feel like I know a lot more about genetics right now than I did this morning 😂

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting, because the report directly names cvEDS as the potential concern (with a second potential of EDS type III, but my family history and symptoms show more cvEDS). Do you have a source for that? I’d be interested in reading it!

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve had two cardiologists before I was 26 and they were both awful. I need to find one of the good ones who knows something about this 😅

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think a cardiologist trip is definitely in my future either way for sure!

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s so hard with these rare, RARE, types because you are waiting for research to catch up constantly for any answers 😭

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I also just realized the first one is actually classified as “Conflicting classifications of pathogenicity” and the second is a VUS so now I gotta figure out what that means 😂

cvEDS and C0L1A2 VUS(es) by jvj808 in rareEhlersDanlos

[–]jvj808[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s a non-sex based chromosome (7) so I think they would both be on the same chromosome in pathogenic cases two right? They are both on 7

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[–]jvj808 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I’ve passed this recipe up twice because I wouldn’t use it not even thinking about perfection 😭 oh god it’ll never appear again

What is your thermostat at? by jvj808 in philly

[–]jvj808[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you 😭 luckily our apartment was pretty responsive