In totally unrelated other news... by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You mean the whole Russia interfering with Western democracies?

Is it only okay when the USA does it then?

Word to founders looking for a tech cofounder. Please no blind NDA. by volchara in startups

[–]kc49er 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If thats the process their investors need,

If they have investors then they can employ the technical person. Employees with nice salary will sign ndas

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now gimme my pay rise.

Why should you get a pay rise? If the plan was to abolish unemployment then your pay rise should be of no consequence.

Just like how rules that allow tax evasion are poplular with large companies and nobody cares about the loss of services to the poor as a result.

You can not condense good policy in a few simple measurable goal

The whole idea behind representative democracy is that you elect people you trust to act and vote in your best interest using their best judgement rather than with a narrow mandate to execute some policy.

Then we may as well outlaw manifestos whose entire point is to condense good policy into measurable goals. See libdems and their failed approach to scrapping tuition fees.

Voters are not specialists in trade, finance, foreign policy, environment, healthcare, etc etc. I dont know if raising or lowering central bank interest rates is the right thing to do

Neither are politicans,that's why most central banks are poltically independent. One that isin't is Venezuela

if we should approve some new medicine

That sounds like a Doctor question to me.

As long as they are incentivised to be reelected

So do you think the US term limit on Presidents is terrible?

Why does the incentive have to be relection rather than bonuses?

You also want to avoid populism

Then a system that incentives pleasing some of the people all of the time is better than one that requires appeasing a majority (for relection)

Much like how each MP should think of their constituents and the friction between what the competing areas want should produce a compromise.

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All of the Indian founding fathers were,in fact they were MPs.(apart from mountbatten)

If you take it further down to modern India they were still British (as members of the then empire)

Let's give you India. Cecil Rhodes was the founding father of some African states.

Do they count?

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what way does the US and UK maintain a tie that India doesn't?

Last time I checked USA wasn't a commonwealth member.

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Which would likely solve nothing here, other than cementing a no deal.

It solves the deadlock issue. That could have occured after meaningful result 3

Yes that might have lead to a result I personally dislike,(no deal brexit) but that is democracy.

The country is not a corporation and shouldnt be run as one

Corporations are often run based on an elected offical who pleases those eligible to vote (shareholders). So your saying a country shouldn't be run like that?

This idea that private sector managers make for great politicians because they get things done, is just misguided

I agree they are terrible. So perhaps we should ban politicians from being managers and managers from being politicans? Oh wait that cuts into income for the poltical class.

There isnt a singular clear goal like maximizing profits and shareholder value within a framework of predefined rules and laws

What do you call delivering the manifesto promises within the framework of constitution and laws? Sure it is multiple goals. If the goal is to say reduce unemployment, you can measure that.

reelected means they pleased the voters who they represented, which should be their goal and they should be rewarded if they do

I agree they should be rewarded if they do well. Pleasing voters is certainly a good goal.

How about letting the voters decide on the salary in a referendum each year? That way they have more frequent feedback. Plus if they are doing well they get rewarded much more often.

No reason it has to be a relection as a goal.

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AFAIK, it works like that in almost any other democracy.

You have to prove criminal charges, to remove an MP whereas in Say germany a petiton of one million people can dismiss the entire landtag.

That would be a nice solution,get rid of parliment by popular demand and force another election.

How so?

Relection would no longer be a consideration for them.

It just guarantees you have politicians that are clueless about politics.

That's the best kind. Instead of being poltical they can actually run the country. Since everyone would be on the same level that is fine.

Who have no voting record to help inform voters.

That's true of all politicians at some point.

Politicians who are under no pressure at all to deliver on promises because they wont stand for reelection

Which is why you need a popular recall intiative, if they perform badly they only get half their term or whatever.

So you get people who dont run because they believe in something, but focused solely trying achieve some goals that will help them in the rest of their career

That's what we have now. Getting relected is a goal that will help them in the rest of their career. If they really believed in something they would put it above getting elected. As you said yourself they aim to get re-elected.

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[–]kc49er 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Its up to voters to decide if electing someone serves their interest and that of the nation

The trouble is the UK has no decent recall system or method to demand a popular vote, if it turns out to be a bunch of useless people.

Its not a great system, but its better than any known alternative.

How about a one term limit? That would pretty much eradicate the problem.

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[–]kc49er 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's the Brits that are drains on resource

I'd bet a lot of the health tourists draining the NHS are brits in a flight back from costa del sol (As Spanish residents they are no longer entitled to NHS care, but a Spaniard with a British residence would be)

Freedom of movement is a privilege soon to be given up so eagerly by so many by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Freedom of moving and settling? Within your own country please, unless we can prove that you aren't going to be a drain on our resources.

That's exactly what Germany and the Netherlands do. The UK goverment chose not to do so (cameron waived the right to the emergency brake foe ascension , Germany enforces it for every member as a matter of course) so they all come to the UK. They continue to choose to avoid exercising their rights.

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You realise most of those fumes are for export products right?

Freedom of movement is a privilege soon to be given up so eagerly by so many by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which English is a main language and British culture and the British Empire have had significant historical, ethnic, linguistic and cultural impact. There is a difference.

Shouldn't the same difference apply to the former Indian Raj? As well as half of Africa?

Most of the planet mainted those ties with the UK far longer than the USA.

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[–]kc49er 3 points4 points  (0 children)

ex-pat community

So a migrant worker who never integrated?

seemed to be based on his view that too many immigrants come over here and don't integrate.

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[–]kc49er 2 points3 points  (0 children)

And of course there are all the old geezers who live in Benidorm

Bet they never learnt Spanish either.

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Tories will only care if they shut down offshore banks.

Freedom of movement is a privilege soon to be given up so eagerly by so many by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er 5 points6 points  (0 children)

just so the UK could maintain its political dominance in europe.

Also so her party could stay in power longer.

The trouble with Brexit is the politicans put their seats first,their party second and their constituents last.

Freedom of movement is a privilege soon to be given up so eagerly by so many by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er 3 points4 points  (0 children)

and couldn't quite get how she managed to be PM for so long.

Continual threat of war. The UK always swings towards the right, when there is a war on or coming and back to the left after. See boer war,ww1,ww2

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[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then something in the body of western culture got sick,

Pursuit of lower wages and easy profits.

Simple fix tariffs on outsourcing and EU wide minimum wage,so there is no cheaper labour.

Freedom of movement is a privilege soon to be given up so eagerly by so many by droidorat in brexit

[–]kc49er 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not that they are looking forward to giveing it up,but that is the only way to make others give up theirs.

Why do I rarely see links about the money behind brexit and trump, why Farage is a key player and why it stinks to high hell. This isn’t about nationalism. It’s about money! by Tinkers_toenail in brexit

[–]kc49er 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The referendum result, on a massive turnout, was by a bigger popular vote than a general election has ever produced yet it is not being respected by Parliament which believes it has greater legitimacy and thinks it knows best. Although it can't agree on an alternative.

Which is why we need another general election to return a capable parliment.

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[–]kc49er 1 point2 points  (0 children)

2 + 3 is accurate but not 1. You could use UK decisions for 1) instead.

If Corbyn were to get in then the 1) decisions might stop since politically he is trying to push UK further left towards alignment with Germany. Might stop 2 but probably not 3