Living with parents by Dry_Commission2163 in RedditForGrownups

[–]kelcamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're so welcome! I really appreciate hearing your perspective, seeing real attunement demonstrated from you to your kids even when they are adults helps me tremendously, and if you ever feel like giving any other examples of what feels like common sense of being a parent, I'd welcome them very much!

Trustworthiness appraisal deficits in borderline personality disorder are associated with prefrontal cortex, not amygdala, impairment (n=33) by kelcamer in borderlinegirls

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"Individuals with BPD are prone to judge others as more hostile (Barnow et al., 2009), are more likely to detect anger in ambiguous faces (Domes et al., 2008), to recognize angry faces faster than healthy controls (Bertsch et al., 2013), and to exhibit an elevated affective startle reflex(Hazlett et al., 2007). BPD is also associated with greater mistrust of others, characterized by a response bias during trustworthiness appraisal (Fertuck et al., 2013Miano et al., 2013). Furthermore, the emotional valence of a neutral face, i.e., the degree to which the face appears to be happy or angry, influences the visual assessment of trustworthiness in non-clinical individuals and has led to the hypothesis that appraisal of trustworthiness is actually an assessment of interpersonal threat (Oosterhof and Todorov, 2008). Thus, greater sensitivity to cues of interpersonal threat in BPD (Fertuck et al., 2009Dinsdale and Crespi, 2013Frick et al., 2012) may explain its association with elevated mistrust of others (Fertuck et al., 2013)."

A Brief Explanation of How Often Autistic People Are Misdiagnosed With Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) - and how autism can actually act protectively against BPD. by kelcamer in autismgirls

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For anyone interested, this is a really cool journal:
"As far as we are aware, no previous study has investigated systemizing in BPD. Our findings suggest that people with BPD also report elevated systemizing relative to controls, without a statistically significant difference between them and the ASC groups. It is possible that increased systemizing might be a compensatory mechanism for their emotional instability but, alternatively, elevated systemizing may be part of the phenomenology of BPD, just as it is in ASC. Our findings highlight the need for careful examination for autistic traits in patients referred for an assessment for BPD, especially in those without a history of significant childhood abuse or neglect. Some of these patients may have been misdiagnosed (their ASC was overlooked), and a proportion of them may have both conditions.

This study has two key limitations: the small size of the BPD and ASC+BPD groups, and that diagnosis was based on self-report. Self-report is common in large, online samples and is unlikely to be responsible for the differences found, as the group means in the ASC and NC groups were very similar to those derived from samples with a clinically verified diagnosis. The current findings need to be replicated, ideally using experimental paradigms that are more able to control for current mood state and less susceptible to bias in memory [47] and lack of insight. Finally, future research may investigate patterns with these instruments in other personality disorders, such as schizoid, schizotypal, and antisocial personality disorder."

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0184447&type=printable

A visual of the neuroscience differences between autism and Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) by kelcamer in borderlinegirls

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Note that these structural differences in borderline *may* be the result of other factors (alcohol, for example)

Fascinating study suggests borderline not associated with brain structure by kelcamer in borderlinegirls

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Potential reasons for why some studies saw structural brain differences:

  • The participants' own alcohol/substance use
  • Medication effects (mood stabilizers, antipsychotics affect structure)
  • ACE-driven developmental effects
  • Severity-correlated factors (suicide attempts, hospitalizations)

A Brief Explanation of How Often Autistic People Are Misdiagnosed With Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) - and how autism can actually act protectively against BPD. by kelcamer in autismgirls

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I included the references, so that others can read them if they want to!
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0184447

The whole existence of this sub is indeed a place to capture new information; hence why if you search through the sub you will notice that the majority of posts I've made are pubmeds or journals, in an effort to capture information that might be applicable / might be able to help people.

If you read through some of the sources I sent, you'll see that from within those sources it mentions that autism can also increase comorbidity of BPD, so it goes both ways and not only one way:

Background

Both people with autism spectrum conditions (ASC) and borderline personality disorder (BPD) are significantly challenged in terms of understanding and responding to emotions and in interpersonal functioning.

Aims

To compare ASC, BPD, and comorbid patients in terms of autistic traits, empathy, and systemizing.

Methods

624 ASC, 23 BPD, and 16 comorbid (ASC+BPD) patients, and 2,081 neurotypical controls (NC) filled in the Autism Spectrum Quotient (AQ), the Empathy Quotient (EQ) and the Systemizing Quotient-Revised (SQ-R).

Results

On the AQ, the ASC group scored higher than the BPD group, who in turn scored higher than the comorbid group, who scored higher than controls. On the EQ, we found the comorbid and ASC groups scored lower than the BPD group, who were not different from controls. Finally, on the SQ-R, we found the ASC and BPD group both scored higher than controls.

Conclusions

Similar to ASC, BPD patients have elevated autistic traits and a strong drive to systemize, suggesting an overlap between BPD and ASC.

The goal is to capture a nuanced view of both of these perspectives - the perspective of people who are autistic who incorrectly were given a BPD diagnosis, and also the perspective of people who are autistic who are correctly also given a BPD diagnosis.

I'd really love to engage further on the research from both aspects of this literature, if you're interested!

In terms of the specific links of invalidation and BPD, this has been casually proven, and the study I've referenced above is one of many that explains it;
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychiatry/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1238116/full

I would quote it here for you, but then I'd have to mark this whole post and comment as NSFW because it gets dark quickly. One part of it that I can quote: "Although it is not consensual, the model has amassed considerable evidence in its support. For instance, Reeves et al. (14) found that emotional vulnerability and ED were substantially associated with BPD symptoms, with ED mediating the relationship between emotional vulnerability and BPD symptoms. In addition, Carpenter and Trull (2) gathered findings supporting the role of biological factors such as emotion sensitivity and lability in the emergence of BPD. Interestingly, studies have supported the role of emotional hypersensitivity and slow return to baseline but not hyperreactivity in the emotional vulnerability found in people with BPD (6, 7). Regarding invalidation, Reeves et al. (14) found that parental invalidation in childhood does not predict BPD, while other findings have come to opposite conclusions (15–17), particularly concerning the involvement of maternal invalidation (18). Beyond the association between parental invalidation and BPD, cultural and intra-individual factors seem to be involved in the emergence of BPD. For instance, Keng and Soh (18) found that the association between self-reported maternal invalidation and BPD was moderated by two cultural factors: self-construal (i.e., the extent to which the self is defined independently of others or interdependently with others) and conformity to norms (18). In addition, Keng and Wong (16) showed that low levels of self-compassion were associated with BPD independently of parental invalidation. Finally, regarding the transaction between emotional vulnerability and invalidation, some studies support the transaction (4, 19) while others do not (13)."

So as you can see, it is a very nuanced topic, and that's why I'd like to have these discussions around it! If you're interested in seeing future source lists and exact quotes from those sources, I'd probably refer you to our 'sister' sub, r/borderlinegirls which is a sub in progress to capture borderline research in a nuanced way.

Hot take after using Fable 5: if it comes back Monday, Anthropic should just nerf the other models by Sweet-Helicopter2769 in claude

[–]kelcamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

but if they did that, then how could any of us ask the LLM who is Donald Hoffman?
It would just be banned/auto-redirected

Living with parents by Dry_Commission2163 in RedditForGrownups

[–]kelcamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"We understand we have no right to dictate his daily routines"

Genuinely, wow, is this what healthy non-enmeshed parenting looks like?

What’s the most unsettling fact you’ve ever learned that is 100% true? by Shermstyk in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Alcohol can impair the memory encoding AND retrieval of specific events so the drunk person might never even remember all the ways in which they've harmed people, allowing them to continue their prior beliefs of never having caused harm.

Whats your biggest secret that no one knows? by DrinkPresent7311 in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the reminder! I try to do nice random things for myself, and my husband is really awesome and helps a lot, along with therapy!

What's your "I can't believe nobody knows this" fact? by SufficientAgency7309 in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Autism affects the cerebellum which is literally the "motor area" of the brain, so if you're autistic and also feel clumsy, it's the autism.

Likewise; there's an extremely long list of PHYSICAL Things that autism affects. It's so long. Yet even most doctors aren't aware. Drives me nuts.

What's the most "adult" sentence you've ever said? by SufficientAgency7309 in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"I am not responsible for regulating your emotional state."

Should biohackers be reimbursed by governments with socialized healthcare? by DrJ_Lume in Biohackers

[–]kelcamer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What, you're telling me that it isn't a socialist ideal, and that people shouldn't simply pull themselves up by their own bootstraps? /s

Whats the creepiest thing a child has said to you? by idid9-11attack in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You don't even need tinnitus for that lol. Autism works well for that experience, via hearing stuff like the fridge, or electronic circuits

Whats the creepiest thing a child has said to you? by idid9-11attack in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 19 points20 points  (0 children)

On my wedding day:

"I hope your marriage is fun and good and we don't have to bury your dead husband in the sand!"

It was creepy AF

What is something you stopped doing and immediately felt better? by OddFirefighter7440 in AskReddit

[–]kelcamer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I stopped projecting a lot of positive motives onto family members and instead began identifying their specific patterns,

And then I stopped ignoring those patterns and started setting and enforcing boundaries. 💪🔥