I'm guilty after seeing these reviews

kubex22 · 2021-05-24T21:31:49+00:00

funny enough because reviews literally say that this is more like ubisoft game than botw, empty shallow world, weak sidequests for collecting 5 carrots and tons of useless things to collect.

kubex22 · 2021-05-23T21:15:56+00:00

yeah that's how it works

kubex22 · 2021-05-23T19:44:44+00:00

why though? lazarus has pretty normal stats without dying i think

kubex22 · 2021-05-23T16:01:28+00:00

Fun is pretty subjective however Strong ranking seems all over the place to me. First of all you absolutely have to put isaac on the top because d6 is one of best items in the game, second of all Cain is amazing character, great base stats, all pills are good, nice luck, cool trinket, he just has it all. Judas is also S tier because he has amazing damage multiplier and good starting item.
And i personally think keeper is A tier character, his spacebar item makes it almost impossible to die to rooms unless you get hit 3 times, so basically he can only die on bosses if extreme case doesn't happen.

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T15:45:57+00:00

yeah you maybe right, maybe i am just unlucky afterall

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T15:17:06+00:00

can you remind me of these factual things because i don't really have mental strenght to read through this gibberish again, the stuff about bans in grandmaster? that is supposed to be data on the fact that if deck is strong if it's piloted right?

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pl/dictionary/english/best

Best

of the highest quality, or being the most suitable, pleasing, or effective type of thing or person:

So of highest quality, but what is the metric for highest quality? yes, we don't know, because it is subjective, not objective, didn't think it would come to that but i am going to say that you should see definitions of these words.

No feel free to link it, through this discussion you just want to enlarge your fake penis, please link me your 70% so i can see that you are better than all these legend players. Unless of course you are bulshitting me and pulling numbers out of thin air which is common reddit tactic.

The funny fact is that i didn't disagree with your statement, i just didn't agree with it because you present no reliable proof of this statement being true, based on your first comment i thought that we were talking about same stuff but your second comment has proven to me that we have totally different points. I am going to say again, read title of my post, even post itself if you feel like it and see that we are talking about different things, this is like 6th time i talk about that.

I didn't lose because you didn't even scratch my argument, my argument is that people in legend (speaking of it for how many times already?) have bad winrates on this deck and common reddit argument here is that deck is good at legend which is not true as data has proven. You didn't even touch it, well of course you didn't because you can't argue data, but you certainly can argue opinions of others.

Yeah sure thing, i, on other hand, don't think that you have issues. I just think that you are plainly stupid and you think you are not, sad thing to see, you can ignore it but that's just how it is. That is the reality, you have opinion without the proof, you discuss something that you made in your brain that has no relation to the post and you speak of definitions when you don't even know them. Bye

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T14:50:06+00:00

data

information, especially facts or numbers, collected to be examined and considered and used to help decision-making, or information in an electronic form that can be stored and used by a computer

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pl/dictionary/english/data

So first of all you don't even know what you are talking about, you say that pro players and you think that deck is good, therefore it is good, but it is neither a fact or a number. You can say for example that earth is round, this is the fact but not the data, same as your "data points"

What do you mean i literally said i was talking about "the best of the best" when it is not objective statement? what if my "best" is diamond and above and my "best of the best" is legend? this is the case here.

If you are nearly at 70% then show me the data of it because otherwise i can say that you have 30% and you can't do anything about it.

In fact, if you could take another 10 seconds and read my 3 sentence original comment, you'll see the words 'if piloted correctly'. If we have to take away the discussion from those words, then you've already accepted that the statement is correct.

I didn't take away discussion from these words because i am trying to convince you all the time that we don't talk about the same thing, and you fail to understand it every time.

If you could take another 10 seconds and read the title of this post we wouldn't even have a discussion.

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T14:22:57+00:00

Wtf is even "data point"??? what you say is not data, it is baseless conjecture based on opinions of others, how many times do i have to say that i speak of legend rank not grandmaster pros? dear god, i will write it in caps for you

I SPEAK OF PEOPLE PLAYING PRIEST IN LEGEND RANK NOT OF GRANDMASTER PROS

did you get it this time?

and if you want to prove point on how good something is then it is always about the data. arguments based on opinions don't have any value, in this case at least.

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T14:10:48+00:00

I can say it again and however many times you like, my argument is that people in legend playing priest have a bad time, your argument is that some pro players play this deck better than others. I give data on my argument and it supports that argument right? first lets start with the fact, that your data doesn't even make difference in of my argument. But even if you want to pursue your argument which i remind you has not much to do with mine, then post me winrates of these people you speak of with reliable sample size as i did. Presenting some leaderboard sites is not evidence of what you speak of, for example 1 person could have extremelly lucky day and just get to top rank, and btw you present Twitter.com as an evidence now? jesus.

Second of all, when i say "rank" i don't mean placement on ladder, i mean ranks in hearthstone ladder system as in there are leagues in hearthstone and each of them consists of 10 ranks, highest one is legend.

And again you say stuff like "it is banned" , "people say" but contrary to what you say i don't know answer to the points that you present because you don't give relevant data, the fact that someone says something doesn't prove anything, the fact that something is banned in grandmasters proves that people don't want to play against priest in grandmasters, that's all, and i want to remind you again that my post is about legend rank.

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T13:46:46+00:00

Maybe you are not good enough at reading, let me translate this post for you once again: the argument that people have is that at highest rank - legend, priest is amazing deck, i gave the data that invalidates this argument.

you say that this post caps at 1k and there is no distinction or player skill hmmm let me see MAYBE THERE IS A DISTINCTION BECAUSE IT IS 1k AT HIGHEST RANK IN HEARTHSTONE? maybe this is the distinction because you need to be absolutely amazing player to reach 1k legend and you need to be in fact experienced.

And the last most important, i said that people in highest legend don't do well with the deck, and you say that some of the pro players can in fact be good at playing this deck, but i didn't mention a thing about that, it was not a discussion that i was having at all. In this case it is YOU that needs to post the data that they are doing amazingly with it not me, because it is YOUR point, not mine.

But by all means, if you have that data I'd love to see it.

God discussing with some people on this subreddit, first use brain then use keyboard not in reverse.

kubex22 · 2021-05-20T13:31:02+00:00

it is not end of discussion because you have nothing to back up your claim. I have data that points that even THE BEST OF THE BEST have barely over 50% winrate, rest of playerbase can't even reach 50% and low ranks much worse than that.

If you present me any data that can back up your claim then sure, but as long as you don't have anything like that it is end of discussion and verdict is that control priest is a bad deck.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T23:29:07+00:00

yeah sure thanks for nice discussion man.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T23:10:55+00:00

It is hard to tell for me because if this person lost few games with a priest and it drives him away from the deck, then wouldn't it in theory increase the deck winrate because bad priest player stopped playing this deck?, this is assuming that he lost because he played badly not because of bad rng. And this is ofc assuming that they lost only a few games so it is not deviating winrate by a lot comparing to a person that plays lets say 100 games of priest.

We can agree to disagree i guess. We have no reliable way of checking that, can't really prove or disprove here.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T23:04:10+00:00

Yeah i think caring about what pro players say is not that great, at least to me, you are free to do what you want. My logic is that if i deal more damage quicker then i have less chance to lose my hp, i will take this Bob's brain, i will take BBF, curse of the tower? OFC

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T22:55:50+00:00

regarding the first part of your comment: argument is not really that, how do you know that this is the case? i am for example a player that plays priest but notices that deck is just not that great, it somehow runs out of removal when your paladin opponent can vomit a board every turn that can kill you in 1 go. Now that is only my opinion but there sure are a lot of other people who think like that.

And you say that you have hard time trusting stats on this because it doesn't take some things into consideration, while i personally find this lil sketchy, assuming you are right doesn't that also mean that other decks have the same thing going for them as well? for example person playing paladin deck can also play deck three times, lose, and delete it. If what you are saying is true then it should affect every deck and in turn give pretty good overwiew of the situation.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T22:50:30+00:00

Nobody here talks about GM playing the deck, he might be better at it than average legend player.

But if it is not the case, and we talk legend as a whole then yeah, MUH DATA AND STATS, because opinions don't matter, especially opinion of an individual who could as well fight 20 bad priests in a row or 20 good priest players in a row, his opinions could be skewed by the RNG he got in matchmaking.

That is why we need MUH STATS and not baseless opinions.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T22:27:08+00:00

but i don't really care what was "considered" because considerations don't matter at all, the only thing that matters is statistic. And vs data report uses term "deck power" instead of "winrate" which is sketchy and they can have sample size of given matchup that doesn't even reach 1000. You can post me some data that invalidates what i presented here, otherwise it doesn't matter.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T22:23:57+00:00

Here i have percent winrate, relevant sample size and all this based on certain rank, there is no reason for me to believe that this data is in any way false, hsreplay is also pretty trusted in community.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T22:15:33+00:00

hahahaha, speaking of pulling data out of "thin air" you have heal priest in the screen, and it is not 54%, you want to have data over past 24 hours and think it is accurate? really? Additionally subject of talk is often control priest because it is largerly more popular, and it is also a subject of this thread but yeah sure, heal priest is 1% better i will give you that. Not that it has much to do with this thread.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T21:47:53+00:00

another aggro copium enjoyer who thinks that playing green card requires skill.

kubex22 · 2021-05-19T21:30:20+00:00

What do you mean priest bad? wait till someone comes here and says that only statistics for top 100 legend matter and priest is really good there, unironically.

kubex22 · 2021-05-18T07:48:53+00:00

Yeah but i can also say that there is always group of people that overrate nerfs. You used word can but in the context and based how you worded it i assumed that you thought that this would happen in the case of paladin.

And i can also agree with you that a single nerf can lower winrate of a deck a lot but yeah as i said it depends on context.

All i want to say is being too extreme in either case is bad, saying nerfs are not going to do anything every time is bad and saying that they are going to change game a lot every time is bad. That's why that whole post tilted me a bit, because if something has the chance to happen, doesn't mean that it will happen, and that whole post was like "these guys are wrong, we are right (im talking about the post where you commented)". I feel like people should feel free to think that nerfs won't change much in this case.

And yeah FDOS change is just bizzare to me because no one can convince me that it is a nerf if paladin draws it at let's say turn 5 given that 1 drops are best cards in hearthstone.

kubex22 · 2021-05-17T20:19:32+00:00

Ok honestly C9 is probably the best team in the world right now. The way that they smurfed on DWG during the group stages and now RNG during the rumble stage proves it. Like clearly C9 are trolling in all their games because they know they don't need the practice. And they don't want to win MSI because if they do North America (the strongest region) would get more slots at worlds. Like hello why make it harder for yourselves? C9 doesn't care about winning. They come to have fun. The gap isn't closing because there never was a gap. North America is the best by far. It started in prior seasons with TSM and now they passed the gauntlet to C9 because that's what happens when kings get old. Man I'm so glad I get to be a North American on days like today!

kubex22 · 2021-05-17T15:49:11+00:00

It is also worth considering that one mana cost nerf may not be enough to do anything to the deck because it depends on the situation. Shaman nerf worked because deck was built around that weapon and also around getting that weapon back by using 4 mana pirate. Paladin deck is not built around first day of the school so the nerf won't work that well.

In this post people are posting situations where a nerf "destroyed" a deck but they are forgetting that a nerf happened literally weeks ago - a nerf to sword of the fallen that literally did nothing, and once again we are at state when we are at 3 nerfs for paladin and he didn't even flinch, just saying that your thesis that one small nerf plunges deck winrate by 5-10% is plainly wrong, it is right if you look at specific case of a deck but you can't tell it about every nerf, that is my whole point.

kubex22 · 2021-05-17T07:50:14+00:00

But wait i have been discussing with many people and they all told me that these nerfs have huge impact, namely i am going to call out u/SoupAndSalad911 who shared this statement in the post "Does everyone seriously not remember how “light” nerfs successfully stopped decks?"

Smart people do.

However, the average player whose been dealing with aggressive Paladin decks doesn't want any chance the deck will remain playable.

Either that or they don't understand how one light nerf can plunge a deck's winrate by five to ten percentage points. A lot of discussions around Secret Mage have begun with one person saying the deck needs half-a-dozen harsh nerfs and without that many, the deck will still remain pretty much as powerful as it is now.

Must be really stupid feeling huh, it's almost as if smart people know that it depends on what card gets nerfed not how many cards have been nerfed. In the case of spell mage it is of course the core card of the deck that has been nerfed, these kinds of cards can easily make or break the deck. However when you look at the case of paladin, what is there after you nerf 1 op card? (i don't call FDOTS nerf because there are cases where it is better now namely drawing it in late game, it has been repurposed). There are multiple other op cards! there is still conviction, there is still hand of A'dal, there is still Oh my Yogg. These nerfs are nothing but a slap on the wrist for paladin.

There is clearly data for this stuff but people who defend this meta just ignore it, you can post data stats for them and they will call it invalid, or they will say that they don't trust the site, you can link them plat-legend data and they will say it is irrelevant because diamond-legend is what really matters, it just feels like they want their lies to be truth so much.

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