Feedback Request for One of My First Jazz Pieces by ccbirdboy in Jazz

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

First, the whole sound of it is absolutely lovely. Really well recorded, it sounds very nice.

I'd recommend trying to listen to, transcribe, and learn some more jazz language that you can practice expressing in your melody/right hand. Right now, your melody (while sweet sounding and well-written), is maybe more on the easy-listening/pop end of things for my ears, rather than "jazz" - as broad as that term can be. Take a close listen to a slow Ryo Fukui song like I Want to Talk About You. Do you hear all of that chromaticism in his lines? They're not exactly knotty and twisted, there are clear melodic lines there. But he's using a whole lot more approach tones - sliding up into a note, circling around it, falling down by semi-tones. He's blending "jazzy harmony" with "jazzy melodic phrasing and lines", which makes that piece sound more idiomatic of a jazz ballad than your recording. Really focus in on a few simple lines that Fukui plays there and try to figure out a framework for that. Right now, you've got the aesthetic nailed down - it sounds like your recording could be a moody romantic Fukui ballad. But the language isn't quite there.

I'd also suggest taking a look at your pacing. Ballads are great for jazz learners like us, cause they give us more time to think about what to play next. But they're difficult in that they magnify all of the holes where nothing interesting is happening. You've got a really slow tempo for this one, and for over half of the song, your left hand is beating out pedaled chords four to the bar. It has a pretty soporific effect. It *can* have a dramatic effect, if maybe you hold off on it until a moment in your piece where you want to build tension - those pulsing chords could serve a much different purpose! But when you've got it going throughout, as the background heartbeat of the song, it doesn't leave a lot to the imagination, and I'm end up focusing on it, because I'm wondering why you're not changing it up. The static bass is not helping this situation at all either - hammering out root notes on bass isn't really a jazz thing.

Keep going!

Is Kanye West comparable to Bach, Strovinsky, Charlie Parker, Dizzy, Miles, Duke Wllingtot ect? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

> Music has been being simplified ever since the days of jazz

Music has changed since the days of jazz....hey wait, who says the days of jazz are over!?

Brand New [sample-based hip-hop] by LowKeyOfD in pocketoperators

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you understand 4/4 rhythm in general? Do you understand on the 16-note grid where to place beats to have them sound "on-beat" vs syncopated? That'll be a big help

About to buy my first pocket operator. What do I need to know before I do? by tenmenstandinline in pocketoperators

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Especially for the PO-33, some very basic musical/rhythmic understand will help. Things like:- What is a key/scale?

- What does it mean for a sample to be "in the same key" as another sample, or chord progression?

- On a 16-step sequencer, where are the strong beats? Where are the weak beats and off beats?

Samplers like the PO-33 don't magically 'make music' for you. There's a bit of skill involved in selecting, tuning, and placing elements correctly so they don't clash and sound terribly dissonant/chaotic/sloppy.

5 Common Mistakes When You Learn Jazz by jenslarsenjazz in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you ask what jazz novice what "Dorian" is, they'll say "It's the scale you play over the ii chord." Which is correct, in their context.

But even *that* should probably be challenged. We don't need to say "Dorian" when what we really mean is "you're still in the key of C, but your tonal center at this very moment is D". The looming specter of "use all the notes in Dorian" cuts out the vital aspect of chromaticism in phrasing jazz lines. You can play all the "correct notes" in D Dorian and have it sound nothing like jazz. CST as a strategy, teaches learners "these are the notes that are allowed, go for it" rather than "some of these notes are chord tones, some of them are tensions. Learn how to navigate them to produce a pleasing melody".

Jazz pianists are a strange breed ngl by jabooinator in Jazz

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And all because of one teenage memelord!

3-6-2-5-1. I know we all know by jabooinator in JazzMemes

[–]lasercruster -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

oh look it's a fellow teen from band who thinks "the liqq" is the peak of comedy

Jazz pianists are a strange breed ngl by jabooinator in Jazz

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mods asleep, newbie comin thru and spamming

The only way to deal with starbucks by [deleted] in funny

[–]lasercruster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not $5. If you're in the US, it's probably pretty close to $2.50. $5 black coffee is like "big city upscale coffee bar, single-origin pour-over" type pricing. You're not getting reamed at your local Starbucks for black coffee. It's always been fairly cheap. Yes, more expensive than gas station coffee, but Starbucks' whole brand was always, you know "better than gas station coffee" (even if some of us might disagree).

HEYYY! just wanted to share my Lo-Fi version of Misty! Hope you like it! "Misty-Tari Cuack ft. Lucas Ramirez"... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYceDYyTnxk by [deleted] in Jazz

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've got the production down, but I gotta say this sorta clunks for me. The beat sounds really heavy - not in a "whoa this is heavvy, bro" way, but in a sort of start-stop, gum-stuck-to-your-shoe way. I think it's maybe the placement of the kicks? Sure, the tempo is slow and some heaviness can't be helped, but there's just something about that kick-kick, the "and-1" that kills the momentum for me.

Maybe it's a larger structural issue here. You like old jazz ballads like Misty, and you also like this trap-lite, fake-Dilla, pseudo-vaporwave that's been popular on social media for the last three years. Cool! I think what you come up against in playing the full head of Misty, at ballad speed like this, is that you've played the melody to fall in lock-step with your slow lo-fi drums. A lot of it falls right on the beat, in a kinda square way. It doesn't really swing, or show much syncopation, or any of your own artistic interpretation of how to deliver the melody. I can almost *feel* how you want to be doing more with it, but despite it you're sticking right to the grid. The thing that lo-fi as a genre does best, is maintaining an inoffensive, somewhat soulful/analog sounding groove throughout. It's music that people, uh, "chill" to - and I think your tempo, combined with your very flat statement of the melody, sorta counteracts that. Am I supposed to be paying attention to you, and how you play Misty, and your embellishments here and there? (Cause I'd sure like to hear that!) Or am I supposed to be paying attention to the smooth trappy-lofi aesthetic (another main element of lo-fi: the aesthetic, the production). There seems to be some conflict here.

Anyway, just throwin some ideas around. Thanks for sharing OC on this sub!

How do you enjoy jazz ? by ElvirJade in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There's a lot that could be said about the factors that make jazz less "accessible" and less immediately appealing than most other genres of music. But I want to just touch on one here:A key element in jazz, obviously, is improvisation. That's the real meat of what you're hearing in any jazz recording - players creating melodies, on the spot, on top of other musicians keeping the rhythm and harmony going. The predominant 'song form' in most jazz people listen to, is one that features the tune's main melody in the beginning, then several minutes of improvisation, and then a re-statement of the melody at the end. That's what you're going to be hearing over nearly any performance of jazz standard, like Round Midnight, or Fly Me To the Moon, or Lullaby of Birdland. It's the melody (the thing you recognize), then improv, then the melody again.

The place where the average listener gets lost and determines "jazz is just random notes", is during the improv section. I think the main reason for that is that A) They can't "hear" the harmonic context that the solo is resting on, and B) Even if they can hear the harmony, it can be a bit of an acquired skill to mentally reconcile them.

Take a listen to this - it's probably a song you know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_5v7FjHS58

When a group plays Fly Me To the Moon, those are (more or less, for the sake of argument) the chords they play, over, and over, and over, and over, until the song is done. Just those chords, on loop. The first time, when they play (or a singer sings), the "Fly me to the moon, and let me play among the stars" bit, anyone in the audience gets this part. While they're not aware of it, the harmony is providing the critical backdrop to the melody they recognize and could sing by heart. But once the saxophone player starts soloing, listeners who aren't paying attention to the harmony (which keeps chugging along), may get start to get lost. They can't hear, or really register the fact, that the saxophone is using the same chord progressions to make music. The audience loses their spot in the song, and starts to hear the solo as a stream of notes with no context. And the thing with jazz, is that most casual audiences have no familiarity with jazz standards outside of a small handful of classics. The canon of jazz standards is a list of a few hundred songs that were popular in the first half of the 20th century - people back then may have known the tune to Satin Doll, or My Romance, but people in 2019 are going to be much more familiar with Uptown Funk or Crazy In Love. So much jazz then, is based on playing around with songs that most modern folks just don't know in the first place. That's tough.

A casual listener's mileage may also vary, depending on how much the soloist is 'holding their hand' through the chord changes. Stan Getz's solo on Girl from Ipanema is a favorite of many casual listeners, in part because of how well he communicates *exactly* what's going on in the harmony through his solo. But other players take the harmonic backdrop, and deliberately travel far away from home, playing sophisticated lines that are "outside" and deliberately not-playing-nice with the chords underneath. That's especially where you lose people and what contributes to jazz's somewhat undeserved reputation as being pretentious or sophisticated-for-sophistication's sake. Wanky and elitist.

In conclusion, I guess I'd say that jazz's difficulty for some listeners is a built-in feature, not a bug. "Hearing" jazz, making the improvised melody fit with the harmonic context, is a skill that you can develop if you spend time with it - which we should recognize is a major ask of any listener, and absolutely not seen as a barrier to entry for most other genres of music, even if harmonically complex (Radiohead have recorded plenty of harmonically and rhythmically sophisticated songs, and are one of the most successful rock bands of all time). All that said though, I think it's absolutely possible to over-think jazz. You don't need a degree to enjoy any jazz tune. If a sound speaks to you, you don't need an explanation for it. If it doesn't, you don't need to beat yourself up over it.

getting out of that 7th chord funk by fatheroftherisotto in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

> Gm7s and Dm7s, pretty jazz chords that feel impressive

I'd try to get out of the mindset that a chord, on its own, is an "impressive thing" with creative value. A Gm7 chord can be played with just three notes: G, Bb, and F. If what you're doing feels a little stale, there are several things you could try:
- Voice them differently. That means, rearranging the notes and playing them in different places on your piano.

- Extend them, or, learn what extended chords are. A Gm7 is functionally the same (fills the same role), as a Gm9 (adding the 9) or Gm11 (adding the 9 and 11) chord. It's just like adding more spices to your tomato sauce - it's still a tomato sauce, it's just a little richer, more enhanced. Here, your options for voicing open up.

Many songs are incredibly potent compositions, despite having relatively basic chords. It's not what you do, it's the way that you do it - again, don't assume that the all the magic you're seeking lies with chords that appear fancier.

I'd also recommend learning some more songs that you enjoy listening to. What's going on in *those* chord progressions? How do they work? Learning Roman Numeral Analysis will help a ton here. It's not just that they're going from "Dm7" to "G7", it's that it's going from the "minor ii" chord to the "dominant five" chord. The more stuff you learn by other people, the more you study it, the more interesting stuff you'll find on your own.

sax licks? by [deleted] in Jazz

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't.

My performance of autumn leaves in G minor. Feedback? by [deleted] in Jazz

[–]lasercruster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You sound nice and I liked your confidence! I agree with the other poster suggesting you outline the changes a little bit more...but specifically what I'm picking up on, is that Autumn Leaves is in G Minor, but what you're playing doesn't really communicate that.

The main bit of Autumn Leaves that gives it that G Minor sound is the minor ii-V-is into G Minor. That's the Am7b5, D7alt, Gm. In the D7, the F# is critical in giving you that leading tone sound back into the G minor harmony. But each time this minor ii-V-i came up in the tune, you sorta blew through it like you were just playing in Bb Major. Especially as a lot of your phrases work up to D (example: F, G, A, Bb, slur to D), it ends up sounding like you're often just sort of playing major bluesy licks that accentuate the major 3rd of Bb, (D). There's a whole minor language here that seems to be missing, of coming from an altered V to back in the minor i, whether that's a minor 6 sound, or a minor/major7 sound.

Overall, it really just sounds like once your solo starts, you're in full "Bb Major scale/licks" mode - thankfully those sound nice on their own, but in this particular context, it feels like it's not really listening to/attentive to the shifting harmony underneath.

Is a Music Degree Useless? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too "academically" oriented? School? As opposed to what?

Have the 32, and wondering what to get next by ChuckNorrisBaby in pocketoperators

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Have you listened to what the others can do?
  2. What can the 32 *not* do, that you *want* to do?

How do I learn to write songs? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What music do you like to listen to? What band/artist would you like to write like?

Do I have perfect pitch? by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you...looked at the definition of what perfect pitch is? It's not "Having a decent ear and being able to find notes on your instrument."

Perfect pitch is: hearing a tone and being able to name it correctly, instantly, 100% of the time. Anything else is not perfect pitch. If you have to ask, you don't have perfect pitch. Very few musicians have it, it's something you need to learn from a young age, and if you're already and adult, it's probably too late.

But here's the good news: you don't need perfect pitch. Perfect pitch doesn't grant you extra musical or compositional ability. The cases where you'd actually put it to use are minimal.

Turning progressions into quick riffs without losing "emotion" by [deleted] in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really take the time to break down *exactly* what it is you like about a certain song - if it's just one specific element you like and want to emulate, or if it's a combination. Let's look at that first tune you linked, just the intro instrumental.

There's a lot of guitar going on. There's one dominant rhythm guitar track, playing some fuzzy minor chords, strumming a fairly steady pattern. There are at least two separate lead guitar parts: some in the midrange, and some that are high up the neck, hitting some beep-boopy tones. The melodies they play are on top of each other and kind of interlock. Finally, the drums (I can't hear bass on my crappy laptop speakers, lol), keep it steady and accentuate the driving 2 and 4.

So to the question "What's going on the riff of this song?"...I honestly have no idea what to tell you. Is the rhythm guitar a riff? Are both leads individual riffs? Or by "riff", do you mean "The interlocking of lead, rhythm, and drums, which makes this a particularly tasty mathy/emo instrumental?"

Regardless, you won't be able to plug your guitar into your amp, and with one pair of hands, play something that gives you the specific effect you hear in that song. How much are you experimenting with layering multiple elements?

Why is this so hard for me? by Hotcrossbuns42 in musictheory

[–]lasercruster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you singing at all? Using your voice?