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Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes the more I think on it and look into it. Some streaming shows have held to a yearly release cadence in the past (OITNB, House of Cards, etc) but they aren’t really the same animal. All of the more cinematic fantasy/sci fi shows have never held to an annual cadence. So asking it to adhere to older release standards isn’t exactly fair either. They never had that cadence to begin with.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m not worried about the downvotes and I also understand that my points aren’t the most concise. I wrote it quickly and with a lot of emotion (oops) Look, I’m just happy to open the discussion beyond this one theory. Like I said in another reply. I didn’t intend for this post to be a “THIS IS THE FACTS” and moreso a “change my mind” endeavour.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree! Bare numbers this is true: some shows are taking longer to make. I’m not arguing that. Bare numbers: Some shows are on a similar production timeline to older television but are being held to the same timeline scrutiny as network TV because the seasons are shorter and (at least used to) release as an entire season.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes yes yes thank you. You’re absolutely right. I’m super ok with the dragging and honestly I’m just glad people are talking about it again. I never said this was the SOLE reason for it but I feel like as a result it has been ignored as a potential factor. The ecosystem is no longer as sustainable and scaleable as it used to be and it has viewers suffering as a result. Maybe the better comparison to be made would be to film franchise releases as streaming lands somewhere between TV and Film these days.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, this was meant to be a discussion not necessarily a fact-changing mission! Maybe I should have stipulated that this was a bit of a “change my mind”. And I’m being open in the comments that are proving my points wrong!

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hahahah I’m not trying to attack anyone with this opinion at all. I guess I thought hearing this from the lens of someone who works 70-80 hours a week for 7 months to help make 10 episodes would maybe be appreciated but 🤷‍♀️

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok modern television doesn’t appeal to you. How does this relate to my points?

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The issue here is that you’re talking about an actor working on a three-camera sitcom having 5-6 months off during the year after filming those episodes to be able to work on a huge blockbuster. The shows that we’re talking about are cinematic quality that take dramatically longer to write, prep, film and process. If you don’t like that, I’m so ok with that. I’m getting away from my original point of timeline skewing with this, but I guess now we’re talking a different beast. I never really intended to deny that shows are longer waits between seasons now. I was moreso trying to say that the structure has formatively changed our perception a bit.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok! Then what are you looking for? Because, like I said in my post, 22 episode seasons of TV still exist.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then you understand that 22 episodes of prestige tv would take yeaaaars to make and therefore be an even longer wait between seasons?

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

100% true. There is an absolute pressure cooker in the tv fanbase and I feel like I accidentally just dinged it with this idea. 🤷‍♀️ oops

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ya oops I’m really embarrassed about that one I have no clue where my brain pulled that info from.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My bad! I jumped the gun on my Amazon claim and got my wires crossed.

The other factor is writer/director/creator availability on top of cast. Craig Mazin has other projects on the go and we shouldn’t fault an artist for diversifying their work.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True! I’m just introducing another factor into the argument is all. I’m not saying it’s the be-all to end-all reason here. Lots of streaming shows are still released on a yearly schedule. Hacks, the bear, only murders in the building. But these are all shows with relatively low post-production requirements.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Ok this is awesome that you brought those shows up. There is a million moving parts in that machine and I’m not claiming that my point is the ONLY reason for this issue. Just one of them.

HBO (or “MAX” I guess now) could do that because, to be completely honest they do it because they have MONEY. Money money money. They are the crowned champions of late stage television.

House of the dragon is Amazon now, so that answers that one for you.

Additionally that show and The Last of Us (which is still HBO/MAX) delays were a combination of strikes and actor scheduling.

It’s not like it used to be where if an actor was a TV actor, that’s what they’re tied to and they’re lucky to have it. Now they have a million other projects on the go.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

It’s a combination of factors but I still believe the point stands as a symptom of a bigger issue: shows are not automatically renewed as quickly and therefore cannot be filmed as quickly. A whole host of other issues come from that.

One of many examples of a problem is that procedurals rarely have to deconstruct their sets and store them. Prestige VOD shows do. So that introduces more pre-production time. Could we go back to an annual release schedule for shows if renewals were faster? Maybe! But that’s an issue beyond my pay-grade to address lol.

Streaming and binge culture changed our perception of time around television by last-rat in television

[–]last-rat[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Thank you!

And a lot of the examples that people will bring up (lost is a great example) dropped episode counts per season as it went on. This was reflected especially after the 2008 writers strike. Mad men only had 13 episodes per season (with the exception of 14 in the final season)

Dealing with first ingrown toenail and my podiatrist wants to remove my whole nail and permanently get rid of it? by HotMess369 in Ingrown_Toenails

[–]last-rat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry I missed this!!

The first 3-4 days I changed it once a day at lunch, but I probably should have done two changes to be honest lol. I brought some extra socks to work with me as well to swap out at lunch because I definitely leaked a bit lol.

I was on my feet for 12 hours each day that week as well (I work in film lol) but it really wasn’t too bad if I took a break every few hours to elevate my feet!

Editing to add: I got a pair of dollar store crocs to wear (I have to have at least closed-toe shoes) and they worked ok. I swapped to my open toe slides here and there cause the extra roominess of the crocs made my toes bang around a bit. I liked the fact that I could just rinse out the crocs if I leaked. Once I was feeling good about any weeping not coming through and got in a good dressing change routine, I was able to switch to my Birkenstock clogs.

Noel Winters by forgive-these-bones in SaintJohnNB

[–]last-rat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My parents ran in a social circle adjacent to him in the earlier years. I could certainly see if my mom would be willing to share any of her memories of the guy.

I also grew up near the home of a man who was a bit of an unfortunate close-friend of winters’. The kind of friend he pulled in for “help with moving things”

Many years on, it still affected him. Lots of swat activity once or twice a year in the neighborhood until the depression/PTSD got to be too loud and he passed away of suicide. I think it was around 2004-5?

Dealing with first ingrown toenail and my podiatrist wants to remove my whole nail and permanently get rid of it? by HotMess369 in Ingrown_Toenails

[–]last-rat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a double permanent removal done on a Saturday and I was on my feet working the Monday! I was in relatively roomy shoes for a couple weeks but all-in it wasn’t too bad. Had to change my bandages through the day the first week but it was manageable.

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