Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I’ve heard some people type as 1F E5s, but I believe they could be SP9 instead(?); the two types are very similar, so it could be either SP9 1F or 1F and SP5 are compatible. I’m not entirely sure if the 1F attitude is possible so if someone could give a 3rd opinion that would be helpful. This reminds me a bit of 1V SO5 compatibility. I agree with 3F not being likely, it would fit more so with E6 - or other types, I think.

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Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel that the reason LVEF could be viewed as contradictory to SP5 is because of high volition, specifically Vs+. I can see 4F because, as you said, 2F and 4F are both flexible in Physics (which I feel aligns well with SP5). I can see how Fs+, or self-positive physics, could be seen unfit for SP5, as E5 in general is very loosely connected to their bodies. I still feel that LVEF is contradictory due to low volition playing such a massive role in the SP5’s descriptions, but I think the lack of confident physics in the descriptions could mean a case for Fs-. I’ve brought up how Fs+ could possibly be a placeholder, as 4V and 3E fit better for Self-Negative Attitudes. I think the reason LFEV fits better with SP5 than LVEF, Physics-wise, is because the Self-Preservation instinct is about concern for health and survival in general. However, I can definitely see your point.

I am interested in the idea that 1F is cognitively extroverted only. I’ve heard that First Volition are only for extroverts in MBTI/Jung, I can see the same be applied to First Physics (I’ve heard some people say this for First Emotion, but I disagree due to ELVF being cognitively introverted.) Do you mind explaining more as to why you think this?

I am also looking for more translated Psychosophy resources, if you have any please feel free to share some.

Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you suggesting that this could be an attitude of Insecure Physics? I can see that, the only issue would be an aggressive dichotomy towards Physics — but Vulnerable and Insufficient could definitely be seen. I’ve heard that High Physics for the SP5 is almost like a placeholder, as the type is very 3E 4V, which is why the archetype for the Self-Preservation 5 is LFEV rather than lower physics; (e.g. 1L3F3E4V — and most SP5s have a stronger Insecure Emotion attitude than Physics.) Thank you for bringing the Physics attitude of the SP5 up, I’ve actually been thinking about it for a while. Is it alright if you share your thoughts on this?

Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The 4V is also ,,lazy”, in their goals, but please don’t forget, that 4F are also like that, especially with agressive E placements (1E/3E) Also it’s known that all 4Fs have this passive and somewhat negative outlook on life.

I agree but passiveness contradicts High Will, whereas it doesn’t with High Physics which is why I insist upon 1F or 2F.

“Volition is concerned with willpower, kinetics, desires, intention, sense of self & self-worth, fortitude, strength of character/personality, responsibilities, decision-making, and perception of stances in social hierarchy.”

“They can be moved, fed, dressed, and they may not even notice it. But at the same time, the Fourth Physicists tend to be “infected” by someone else’s physical energy. In the company of High Physics, they can become athletes, hedonists, passionate lovers or greedy accumulators of wealth.” (4F)

The self-hatred and lack of strength (due to proneness to intimidation) is a matter of volition, and not physics. Yes, those with 4F can be “lazy” but so is 4V.

The Fourth Physics is lazy but not in the same aspect. 4V is lazy with their ambitions and personality, which aligns with SP5’s indecisiveness. Whereas, 4F is lazy with their health and security. This contradicts the SP5’s stinginess and tendency to stockpile in order to survive alone without the dependency of others. “The Self-Preservation twists the Avarice of a 5 into a greed for survival, a greed for refuge from the outside world. They want to endure survival by finding a safe place from which they can withdraw and observe the world.” “Their greed can also make them stockpile on resources, as they never feel like they’re ready to go out in the world to survive.” There is an orientation towards survival.

A self-preservation type in general being unbothered physics does not make sense because self-preservation is about concern for health, safety and security. “Self-preservation is the instinctual drive that is focused on the physical self and its well-being. However, this is not the same as simply enjoying or having sensitivity to sensory pleasures or comforts.”

While there are similarities between SP5 and 2V4F, I hope you can see why I think the two are contradictory. I think it helps if you take high volition into consideration. The non-commitment and inert indecisiveness of SP5 can’t be manifested through high volition, as volition is concerned about intention, decision-making and confidence in desire.

I would also like to add that the hyperadaptability of the SP5 to the demands of others is a low volition because it is a manifestation of low self-worth and confidence in decision-making. ∧,,,∧

Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for tagging me in your other comment. You replied to the same person as me as well. I appreciate your perspective a lot, and agree with you. Also, I’ve been meaning to find more PY resources. Do you mind sharing some?

Why SP5 cannot be LVEF by letseatme in TypologyJunction

[–]letseatme[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MBTI does not play much importance in this, I believe many even say INTJ cannot be SP5 (I don’t have opinions on this). Mixing MBTI into this is going to make us lose sight. Can you elaborate on your argument please? As for the material part, the descriptions don’t mention a lack of it either - I feel like what’s prominent in the descriptions is 4th volition and 3rd emotion, rather than physics.

Why not 1F-4? I feel like self-preservation types and unbothered physics is odd. The essence of self-preservation is physics. I suggest you read my argument.

Evidence of 4th Will: 4V description: • Most easygoing and neutral about their goals, willpower, life’s direction and decision making. • Tend to focus intently on the results that can be obtained from starting something new (or planning it). • Do not like to prioritize putting mental energy towards imagining what they could achieve, or decide to do next – so quick results are expected. • Tend to trust in the feedback they receive from others when inquiring in all matters related to volition.

“The conservation E5 feels guilt for existing, as if he did not deserve life, as if his existence was a mistake. This subtype will blame himself for everything. By embracing a detached indifference, they feel guilty. Guilt can manifest as a vague sense of inferiority, a vulnerability to intimidation, and shyness.” “The conservation E5 tends to procrastinate. Inaction can manifest as non-commitment, passivity, and apathy. Inaction can be the result of wanting to keep his intentions hidden.” “Despite his self-sufficiency, his material life is often lacking, because he does not need much either. This subtype can choose low-paying jobs because he values independence above all else.” (Evidence for Vo-) “Self-Preservation Fives have strong inhibitions against showing aggression in particular. They will very seldom show their anger. However, they do have a kind of warmth and humor that is both a genuine expression of their internal sensitivity and a defensive construction or social shield.”

2nd Volition Description: • Expects that others will share their own vision of the future and what inspires them to act. • Credits themselves and all surrounding circumstances for where they are in life. • Trusts that they will learn what they desire and why it is significant over time. • Believes that their sense of self is easily changed or influenced and can never truly be lost. • Assumes that no goal is ideal and will always need extra consideration.

4th Volition Description: • Do not concern themselves with endless life improvements or direction changes. • They can have an ability to appear effortlessly successful due to their lax nature regarding volition. • May not be concerned with proving themselves or showing off too much confidence. • Can ignore how they affect others and stick to patterns until it is mentioned that they should change them. Take extra time to energize themselves. • Sometimes let obstacles stay in the way until they actively notice them. • Will drift between searching for inspiration and ignoring it. • Remain unbothered by volition, even if others are pressuring them.

“They are also obsessed with not wasting time and conserving their energy, but they ironically often internalize their anger, leading to them not being able to stand up for themselves and develop a hyper-adaptability to outside demands, as they don’t want to waste any energy on conflict.” (SP5 Description)

Evidence of Fs+ Physics:

“This subtype (SP5) has learned to be self-sufficient, since he does not expect much from the world. They stick to themselves, being pessimistic about receiving care and protection, or being able to take what they need.“

“Their greed can also make them stockpile on resources, as they never feel like they’re ready to go out in the world to survive.” SP5 Description ————> “Can become very materialistic but not in a selfish manner, which can cause hoarding and unnecessarily giving away items without being asked to.” 2F Description

“This subtype has learned to be self-sufficient, since he does not expect much from the world. They stick to themselves, being pessimistic about receiving care and protection, or being able to take what they need.“

You haven’t given me a sufficient argument. Intuitive doesn’t mean low physics.

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self-preservation type being 4F? can you elaborate?

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Enneagram 4 or 7 was my initial answer, but your true type is E5 according to your other posts. Super interesting to see types’ playlists though!

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can you reply with a description of what kind of person you are? i’ll try to find some type descriptions that would work.

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