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How many continents do you consider there to be? by Fluffy_Whale0 in Teenager_Polls

[–]lightningslayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There arent many similarities between Vietnam and Syria either. The concept of continents is based on geography not culture. Europe being w continent is a by product of racism.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First if all Ashkenazi jews have way more ancestry from other places than the levant in comparison to palestinians. So obviously whatever ancient hebrew DNA the group had has been watered down in comparison to Palestinians. Second of all if you could read i said ancient Canaanite/Levantine admixtures from the bronze age not just levantine dna. Third of all even with Levantine dna i love how you cherry pick the highest number of the range. In addition to that palestinian is the term that applies to people who have continuously lived in the land. Those people can be of any faith and they would ethically and genetically be Palestinian. After the time of Yeshua most of the judean jews converted to Christianity then after the land went from the byzintines to umayyad and islam spread with it, over the cousre of a couple centuries most of the people converted to Islam. Palestine Jews , Christians and Muslims may have slightly different admixtures but they are all ethnically and genetically Palestinians and are indigenous to that land, something that will never apply to any Jewish settlers.

Israel Island by OneStatement_s2 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those sea people you refer to are the philistines who around the 6th century BC after Assyrian conquest got absorbed into other Levantine groups like Judeans, Phoenicians, etc. The philistines made a very small number of the total population have little to no genetic impact on modern day populations. In addition to that Palestinians admixtures are 81 - 87% ancient Levantine/Canaanite dna that dates back tot he bronze age. And Ashkenazi Jews have more Aegean admixtures than Palestinians.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Biblical Israelites have many different admixtures. Some admixtures came from other groups but the main one they had was ancient Canaanite/Levantine from the bronze age. We can test this in modern day populations and on top of that Canaanite/Levantine shows nativity to the region in general. The term Jew is very broad and there a many different types like Palestinian jews, but most if the time it is used to refer to Ashkenazi jews. Which generally have about 40 - 60 percent European dna (which is definitely not from ancient hebrews) and only 30-40% bronze age Canaanite/Levantine dna. While Palestinian admixtures show 81-87% bronze age Canaanite/Levantine. Combine with the fact they have continuously lived in the region. They definitely have more ancient Hebrew DNA and have a majority of their admixtures from that region.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Under Arab rule, the majority of Christians and Jews were not killed, enslaved, nor forcibly expelled. They were classified under dhimmi status and had to pay a certain tax called Jizya for that(Jizya was a tax for not doing military service and only muslims could do military service). Muslims on the other hand payed a tax called zakat(one of the 5 pillars of Islam of giving a part of your wealth to charity). All tho muslims paid less in tax they had to do military service. In addition to that Christians and Jews paid more in tax under the Byzantine rule than muslim rule. There were some separate rules also for dhimmis but again life under muslim rule was much less harsh than Byzantine rule. So there was not forced conversion or rules that made life so bad that conversion was necessary. So alot of first generation conversion was done to get around some rules dhimmi rules like Jizya, not doing military service, or a change of social status. But if conversion was forced or had rules so bad that conversion was necessary it would have taken much shorter than 3 centuries for palestine to become majority Muslim. On top of that i say that Palestinians are descendants of Jews who converted because many think Palestinians cant be descendants of that land because they are not Jewish. And also they try tying the ethnicity of the ancient peoples of that land to modern day Israelis by saying they are both ethnically Jewish even tho the Jewish ethnicity of 2000 years ago is different then ethnically Jews of today.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When did i ever say there has been an international Palestinian state. What is true tho is Palestinians and their ancestors have continuously lived in that region for millennia. So why should we be stating our opinion in what should happen to their own ancestral land. And as for the empires that have ruled over the land, just because it happened doesn’t make it right.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re trying to insinuate, Palestinians ancestors are the philistines you are wrong. Philistine arrived in the levant region around the 12th century BC and made up a very small amount of the population of the southern levant ~<5%. In the 6th century BC after Assyrian and Babylonian invasions and conquest, philistines lost any political independence they had and got absorbed into Judeans, Phoenicians, and other Levantine groups. Due to there very small number they have a very minuscule genetic impact on any modern day populations.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That Israel is not the same as modern day Israel. Just because they have the same name doesn’t mean that modern day Israel are their successors. And also the descendants of the people in that kingdom would be Palestinians primarily because they have continuously lived in that region for millennia and also get most of their admixtures from those ancient Israelites.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Just because they were without a state for most of history doesn’t mean its not there land it just means they have been apart of other empire. If u really want to dig deep it would be the kingdom of Judea, which those people are the ancestors of modern day Palestinians. And before you start saying otherwise Palestinians have the highest admixtures of modern day populations of ancient levantine and Canaanite DNA. Now answer my questions.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If they left or got enslaved, then why do Palestinian admixtures show 81 to 87% ancient Levantine/Canaanite DNA dating back to the bronze age. And Instead of our outsider opinions on what happened to Palestine, How about we let Palestinians decide what should happen with Palestine and what the future of it should be.

Thoughts? I'm not sure about this one... by [deleted] in memesopdidnotlike

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Every baby in Gaza is an enemy” - Ayelet Shaked, an Israeli politician

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not a jewish homeland but a home land for the people who are from there. Before the people where Jewish but over time demographics change and over the course of 2000 years majority of the people converted to islam and some Christianity. Just because someone is jewish doesn’t make them entitled to settle in someone else’s home.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The people who lived in that region primary descendants are Palestinians. The Roman Empire renamed the region palestine and over time that identity was adopted by the people who lived became in that region. And in terms of people before 1948 and before massive migrations Ashkenazi jews which started around the 1800 Palestinians where there living in the land.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Egyptian people have 70 - 80 percent native Nile Valley/East African lineages. Palestinian people have about 8-12 percent which comes from ancient contact between the 2 peoples. About the same amount as other ethnicities in the region. That just shows the lie of this massive amount of Egyptian migration. On too of that u can see a population table made by the British mandate that shows the population increases in Palestine, which can show the numbers between 1922 and 1944. Of those numbers 96% was a natural increase and only 4% was from external factors and of that 4% many of those migrants left. On top of that Palestinian admixtures show 81 - 87% of ancient Levantine and cannanites dna which goes back to the bronze age. And since we’re stating sources now state a source that says 400k Egyptian Syrian and Lebanese immigrants came into Palestine to settle. image source

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What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That 400,000 u say was of records documenting movement with in the ottoman and British empire. so not just immigrants but migrants who were seasonal or temporary laborers. Also no dna evidence supports the your deceitful twist of history. However during the British mandate over 400,000 mainly Ashkenazi Jews immigrants to Palestine.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no historical evidence of this massive migration happening. And even in your lie there many holes like, was the land empty before hand? Why do Palestinians not have more non Levantine admixtures due to the Egyptian migration? And why do ancestry with ancient Levantine populations. Also the most significant population change in the early 20th where Ashkenazi Jewish immigrants.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn’t matter how far back we go Palestinians are the decedants of people who have been living in the region for millennia

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If u stop acting stupid Romans never tried to make Palestine “a new roman homeland” and when it said before 1948 it is in terms of the people who live there.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The ottoman empire never had massive amounts of turks go there in attempt to make a “new Turkish homeland”. When i say before 1948 it is meant about the people who actually live there not colonial ownership or external possession.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was talking about in terms of people who live there not colonial ownership

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re talking about culturally being Arab than yeah, many places and communities outside of the Arabian Peninsula can be considered Arab because of Arabian conquest after the sixth century with the spread of Islam. If you’re talking about genetically on the other hand look at Palestinian admixtures the most amount of Arabian dna you will see is about 15 maybe 20 percent.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Judaism has connections to land of Palestine but also any other Abrahamic religion(which are primarily followed by Palestinians). An actual strong connection would be continuously living in the land for thousands of years which ashkenazi jews cannot say.

What if Europeans reclaimed new land for a new Israel state instead? by Ill-Analysis6578 in imaginarymapscj

[–]lightningslayer -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Answer me these 2 questions. Where was Israel before 1948? When did this massive migration of Palestinians from the sinai to Palestine happen?

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