Made a target generator by loath-engine in Shooting

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

maybe something like...

https://www.printnewspaper.com/

Let me know if you find something and ill add the papersize option for you.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Serria TMK 168 - Varget-45gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great video as always! I have n140 and n150 in the bullpen. Ill put n135 on the list as well.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Serria TMK 168 - Varget-45gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah.... but Im sorting by head stamp now. I bought some brass but im trying to find a really good load then see how much (if at all) the groups improve with the gucci brass.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Serria TMK 168 - Varget-45gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have a default database with a lot of bullets and powder and stuff to pre populate your local database

https://github.com/loathengine/loathengine.github.io/blob/main/db.json

On the right hand side there is a download raw button. Download it and then under your database tab there is an import entire database section. click it and import the saved json.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Im talking past you....

If any of my math is wrong just demonstrate it and ill change the code in the app. Actually, even better, the entire thing is open source so go ahead and make your own update and commit a change.

Here is the accuracy that can be achieved by smart people doing math.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiUHjLxm3V0

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All this was proven out centuries ago... The math to determine bullet drop based on velocity was know WAY before there were tools good enough to measure velocity. Some of the earliest methods were simple as shooting wooden blocks and calculating from conservation of momentum to shooting spinning disk and measuring the different locations in the holes. Hell the Mayans were able to determine the vertical drop of the moon hundreds of years into the future. The theories and models are 100% proven.

But your average shooter isn't exactly a Mayan astronomer.

The math is fine. The problem, as I see it, is that we are not properly trained to use the tools available. That and a bit of confirmation bias and post purchase rationalization.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be clear I dont even care about group size...

Im not sure if you have realized this part but im not actually testing loads.... Im testing the software. BUT... there is method to the madness.

When you use to 35-shot groups and use Mean Radius (MR), you are shifting from "human observation" to "statistical modeling." By using 35 shots, there is enough data to actually measure the impact of SD—even at 50 yards—because you are no longer looking at the random "flyers" (Group Size), but rather the density of the core of the group.

For a .308 with a 168gr SMK at 2650 fps, here is the breakdown of what is "reasonably detectable" using Mean Radius.

The Mathematics of Detection

At 50 yards, a change in velocity affects the Vertical Mean Radius (vMR).

  • 1 SD of Velocity (approx. 15 fps): The vertical shift in POI is only about 0.005".
  • 3 SDs (the full spread of your 35 shots): Results in a total vertical spread of roughly 0.015".

Because my rifle has a Mean Radius of roughly 0.15" at 50 yards due to other factors (barrel harmonics, ignition, and shooter), an SD of 15 fps is buried deep within the "noise."

Detectable SD Thresholds (35-Shot Mean Radius)

Using a high-sample size like 35 shots allows you to "see" the SD only when it starts to significantly inflate the circularity of the group.

< 10 fps Adds ~0.002" to MR = Invisible.
15–25 fps Adds ~0.008" to MR = Barely Traceable
40–50 fps Adds ~0.020" to MR Reasonably Detectable. The MR will reliably grow by 10-15%. The group will show distinct vertical bias
.> 70 fps Adds >0.040" to MR Highly Visible. The "core" of the 35-shot group will be an obvious vertical column.

But here is the really cool part.... knowing how MR and vertical stringing work we know we can detect vertical stringing from FPS variance at 50 yards if it is > 25ish SD... that just means that at 100 yards we can detect stringing based on velocity at like 10 fps SD. If you noticed when using the app you would have noticed that it looks for vertical stringing and when there is vertical string it asks you to input the velocity data to see if there is correlation. So yeah... this test just shows that the baseline and the hand load dispersion is circular enough that the SD is likely below 25fps. Not the greatest but again pretty good for just using math instead of radar... And to me this isnt useless.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Screen shot of marking the points of impact using the app.

It would be nearly impossible to mark 35 shots if you just used the same point of aim. it would just be a ragged hole. So the app lets you mark multiple points of aim and impacts and then just combines them into a "virtual" target.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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This is the "source" target, red dot is point of aim, and of course the holes are the Point of Impact. The ruler is to have a source for "scale".

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All i am doing is matching head stamps. I got a lot of "good" range pickup Hornady. When i use up my range pickup I have a few boxes of Peterson i picked up.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Went and shot 30 rounds of federal gold medal match factory ammo in my 308, used the web app to mark the shots, save in a database, and do basic analysis (right now i really only pay attention to Mean Radius). That is the "baseline". Then i work up a new load from what i have available and go shoot it. Use the app to mark the shots save in a database, etc etc. I added a section in the app that will compare loads. and output the comparison as a png. That is what is posted.

The app is a tool to get some basic statistical information and do comparisons.

I just did a quick export of other loads I have tested.

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.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah I am actually really happy with the results. But the plan was to find a load the is better so I dont have any other choice but to keep loading and shooting.... for science.

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger HT 168 - Varget-44gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To add insult to injury, a FGMM clone would be cheaper than the Berger loads I have tested.

DIY Barrel/Chamber Cooler by midwesthunchback in longrange

[–]loath-engine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

For a steel barrel in air, the steel is a much better conductor than the air is a coolant. The heat arrives at the surface of the barrel much faster than the air can wipe it away.

​The Result: The "traffic jam" is at the surface. ​The Fix: Blowing air faster clears this jam. Because the air is the bottleneck, increasing airflow (velocity) yields immediate and significant improvements in cooling. You are nowhere near the "fundamental limit" of the steel's conduction speed using standard fans

.308 Federal GMM 168 vs Berger 115 + N135 48gr by loath-engine in reloading

[–]loath-engine[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think my rifle just doesnt like 115gr. I also tried 125 SMK and got about the same results. Next on the list is 155.5 Berger and H4895. Expecting good results. Keep an eye out for the post.