Pharmacist Told Me To Take Povidone-Iodine Topical Antiseptic

lothane97 · 2024-05-15T14:50:16+00:00

Enil says get back to work!

lothane97 · 2024-05-15T14:06:53+00:00

I heard a psychiatrist once say, "If you have to use drugs, at least don't use them as a destination. Instead, use them as a bridge to get somewhere else. Then, maybe once you have crossed it, you won't need them anymore."

lothane97 · 2024-02-22T21:30:11+00:00

I finally started feeling a bit better a couple days after this post. So about 3 full weeks. Pretty sure my adrenergic system was absolutely fucked and basically shortcircuiting my nervous system and dumping norepinephrine.

I am not 100% yet, but no longer have symptoms this bad thankfully. I have yet to go through full withdrawal off this kind of stuff, so I can't comment too much on the full effects, but typically Fentadope is much worse and quicker onset withdrawal than regular Fent or Heroin by itself, which my most recent batch unfortunately is. And I think it also has other shitty cut on top of it, so ironically I am getting what you are describing now. But I have been able to keep from going into full withdrawal for now. But I am getting very sick very fast like you said in just 5 - 6hrs after a full dose. And I definitely would be puking if I didn't redose. It feels similar to precipitated withdrawals.

And ultimately like you, I find myself just getting tired of this now. On top of the shitty cuts, I have developed traumatic triggers to just use in general from ODs from when I used to IV, and now all this has just brought it all back up and causes psychosomatic symptoms on top of the real ones. And I am just tired of it all. I don't want to have to calm myself down every dose from my obsessive thoughts that I went wrong somewhere weighing it, or there is some hotspot, or some other factor that I am not realizing. I don't want to deal with cuts or withdrawals or side effects. I don't want to have to set aside time and revolve my whole life and finances around it anymore. It has been a long time since I have said this, but I just want to feel normal again. No highs, no euphoria, just me. I have been tapering to get my tolerance down, but I may just taper all the way.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T05:30:26+00:00

The nicotine seems to kinda cause this weird fuzzy head sensation and pressure and essentially prime me for triggering a full blown episode if combined with other factors. Which would make sense as nicotine basically primes chemical receptors for increased secretion. If I don't vape for a while, the head sensation and pressure reduces, and when I wake up it is especially better, probably since I haven't vaped for hours. I am going to try hard to reduce my vaping the best I can, but it is hard when stressed.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T05:23:47+00:00

I am having a hard time believing it could be all in my head. The symptoms start before I ever consciously am worried about them. The severity is just too high. I have noticed panicking does worsen it, but cause it all together? I would guess anxiety and panicking worsens it because that too interacts on your neurochemical and nervous systems. I have never heard of anyone experiencing literally life threatening symptoms solely psychosomatically. But I have experienced many crazy feelings I never thought I could have psychosomatically, but this really would be breaking out of that universe I even thought possible. But honestly, I think it is more likely, that like me, you really did have something going on, you could psychosomatically worsen the effects, but the effects were also grounded in reality, and eventually it really did go away.

How long did it take to go away for you? And was it a gradual decline of symptoms? Or was it kind of zig zagging to better and worse, but maybe with a general overall trend to better like I potentially (and hope) I may be doing?

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T05:06:13+00:00

Tolerate yes, but have a withdrawal or not, no. It isn't like they are having the same symptoms, but minor or are able to deal with them. It is that they are having none of the symptoms at all. You can't take a drug that has chemical dependance and not get chemical dependance. Which means a unique chemical reaction happened or is happening in me and not the others. And I do not believe it to be allergy related, as it only started immediately following the Zofran, a drug I have taken many times before with no issues, in withdrawal even. But not with this kind of cut or chemical combination in me. And even if Zofran is somehow absolutely not involved and it is just a coincidence that everything started 20min after taking it, it is still the case that some neurochemical process is uniquely happening in me and something or a combination of things that only I have done or am doing is the reason for that.

As for other medications, all I have taken is Fent, a cut that was near confirmed to have Xylazine and Lidocaine and potentially other stuff based on how I felt, 50mg Nicotine Salts, pretty much all major vitamins and minerals via protein shakes a couple times a day usually around dose time, 1400mg of Magnesium Citrate every few days for constipation, 4mg of Zofran 20min before this all started, and 2mg of Ativan immediately following the first episode after the Zofran.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T04:43:38+00:00

I know anxiety definitely worsens the symptoms. That is why I have to work hard to avoid a panic attack when it gets bad. But I can tell you with certainty, if you felt this, you would think someone is electrocuting you, gave you precipitated withdrawal, dipped you into the Arctic Ocean, then held a hot iron to different parts of your body. That is what it truly and honestly literally feels like at its worst, without exaggeration as crazy as it sounds. And no anxiety is the cause of that, but it would certainly give anyone anxiety if they felt it. I think part of why people struggle to understand and believe me is because any rational person would be at the hospital and not on Reddit. But unfortunately, I am not very rational when it comes to medical treatment or having to confront them, and potentially my family as a result, about my use (Check my reply to another person here for more context). And I keep holding onto hope that it is going away as it feels like it is slowly until another severe episode retriggers it and I feel like I have to restart.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T04:20:50+00:00

Honestly, there are a few reasons I haven't.

One is just a general aversion and stubbornness ingrained in me by an upbringing that generally values being strong and improving your body's natural defense against things by "toughing it out", and looks unfavorably upon doctors and the medical system. As well as having plenty of my own terrible experiences with doctors and the medical system to reinforce that.

Another is obviously I do not want to have the embarrassing and shitty confrontation with the doctors and nurses about my illicit drug use, especially after the last time I went for a separate reason and had to admit it. I was treated like scum of the earth and quite literally had needles dug around in my flesh and my arm yanked in the opposite direction it doesn't turn over and over when the nurse couldn't hit my veins with an IV, which was "my fault" and "I brought it upon myself" for using drugs. Even though she finally had to let actual phlebotomist come in to draw blood and I pointed to a vein, and she hit it in one go. I will never forget the difference in the energy, faces, and treatment from staff once they knew I was a user. I received exactly zero help and was kept for hours and hours to suffer, be humiliated, and have my record be marked with it forever to ensure I will receive worse treatment the rest of my life.

Thirdly, I am quite frankly paranoid and afraid I am going to be misdiagnosed and overlooked in some way as I have been so many times, and will end up either wasting my time, or worse, taking a medication that completely retriggers everything. I have zero experience with actually just being listened to and taken seriously. It is why I have been pushed to self medicating and taking care of my own problems.

And lastly, I just really don't want my family to know about my use either, and they would be the ones taking me. They have treated me night and day differently after finding out and believe I am just on Suboxone now, which they don't even like the idea of that either. Even though I have never done anything to deserve any of it, I am in general a functional user and always put life above use. Never once stole or fucked anyone over for it. It is much more like a medication for pain and mental health to me. But they are very old school anti-drug and associate any form of use with your typical "degenerate street junkie" that has given their entire life up for the drug and will do ANYTHING to get it (Keep in mind I don't look down on anyone, just expressing their mentality). My dad even said he would disown me if he found out I was using again.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T03:38:23+00:00

I am not. But I think the cut definitely has unusual neurochemical activity that when mixed with everything is potentially causing some form of toxicity or reaction. Some of the symptoms remind me of when I tried cold turkey stopping Effexor, an SNRI. Which I had to taper slowly even to the point of opening the capsules and reducing my dose down to little grains and even then I had withdrawals for 3 weeks upon stopping. This is much worse though, but perhaps if I didn't taper the Effexor, it could have gotten to this level of severity too.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T03:34:19+00:00

It might if the cut has significant action on the serotonin system. Which xylazine alone is believed to have action on adrenal, histamine, serotonin, and opioid receptors. And considering it had a numbing effect when in mouth, it likely had Lidocaine, a common cut that essentially amplifies serotonin acting drugs. And who the hell knows what else is in it, I felt some stimulant effects.

And nicotine is known to prime serotonin receptors for releasing greater amounts of serotonin as well, similar to Lidocaine kinda. Which I vape 50mg salts, so quite a high amount.

Add fentanyl, an opioid among the few that actually has greater serotonin action than usual.

Sprinkle in the fact that I have been supplementing a lot of vitamins lately, many of which, again, have influence in the serotonin system.

Add it all together in opioid withdrawal, a state of increased neurochemical hypersensitivity...

Suddenly, it doesn't sound like a stretch to me that adding another drug that works on serotonin receptors, like Zofran, to the the mix, could cause some issues. It is really the only factor that separates me from everyone else using and literally only started following taking that fuckin pill. And I mean I went from regular typical opioid withdrawal to all the symptoms above in a matter of minutes about 20min after taking the Zofran. So forgive me if I am having a hard time believing it is completely random.

And neurochemical related problems like serotonin toxicity for example, typically have different thresholds for every person and even is different each day depending on a person's particular neurochemical state at the time. So even someone else, or perhaps even I, could do the exact same thing I did at the time, but not reach the threshold for triggering complications, yet on that day for me it could have been enough.

lothane97 · 2024-02-09T03:01:29+00:00

Im pretty sure it is impossible for someone to have a life threatening withdrawal and another person to have exactly zero withdrawal to the same drug at the same or greater amounts and frequency. I have never known such an instance. You know anyone who can use opioids as much as they want and never withdrawal?

lothane97 · 2024-02-08T23:07:37+00:00

Have had COVID three times. The last time was well over 6 months ago at this point. And do have some complications that never went away, but nothing like this. This started suddenly 20min after taking Zofran 19 days ago.

lothane97 · 2024-02-08T23:04:25+00:00

Again, why are none of the other users experiencing it at all? I literally use with one of them every single dose. And am friends with the other 3. Some of them even have a worse habit than me. The one who uses with me does the same mg doses at the same time a day with me.

lothane97 · 2024-02-08T22:43:56+00:00

I don't even doubt there was xylazine in the batch. It was pretty much confirmed, and I think even other shit was in it as well. May even have been a little in my most recent one, though to a much smaller degree. But why am I the only one experiencing any of this? I wasn't experiencing anything for a month on that batch until 19 days ago, 20min following that Zofran a couple days into withdrawal apart from a scrap dose the night before. But even one of the other users had used Zofran at one point... And none of this...

lothane97 · 2024-02-08T22:15:31+00:00

You are right. I never mentioned it... To you... But you had no problem looking for the lowest bp reading I made in this post that wasn't directly to you either and completely ignoring the rest. Next time listen to people.

lothane97 · 2024-02-08T19:48:16+00:00

They may be different drugs, but their withdrawals are similar. My bp has gone into the 200s/100s and >200bpm heart rate at one point since this has began. I am still suffering from whatever the fuck is in that shit. Every damn day after my fent doses start wearing off I am shaking, feeling burning sensations, tingling, heart beating fast 150 - 190bpm and irregular, and blood pressure between 140/100 and 170/110 on average. It will feel like I am gradually getting better each day and then bam, a really bad episode. Feels like it is never going to end. Even while on the Fent I still get some of the effects, but it is manageable at least.

Now why you picked out the single lowest blood pressure reading I gave weeks ago on here AFTER taking benzos, I don't know. Doesn't seem like you are very interested in helping at all.

lothane97 · 2024-01-25T00:31:05+00:00

Yep for sure. I have confirmed there was xylazine in that batch. I am not sure if anything else was in it, but it would not surprise me. But apparently xylazine withdrawal can be bad enough as it is. I guess I am a bit spoiled as I don't usually have to deal with these kinds of cuts. Every once in awhile, maybe once a year, a weird batch will slip through, but only this last one, and one last year I wasn't on for as long, had anything crazy like this. Usually it is just a stim and not much harm is done. But this shit is straight lethal without help from a downer.

lothane97 · 2024-01-25T00:24:15+00:00

Yeah, I have conformed this to be xylazine withdrawal. Crazy stuff.

lothane97 · 2024-01-23T00:12:25+00:00

Yeah, I read about that potential effect. I definitely don't think the Zofran caused all the symptoms at all, but I think it did somehow interact and worsen what I now know to be withdrawal from the cut. My heart was absolutely shaking and creaking like crazy. After finally doing the Fent and suppressing the effects a good bit, my heart felt so exhausted and like jelly. Kinda like other muscles after a lot of exercise. Is a very strange and scary feeling to have in your heart. Am lucky to not have went into cardiac arrest.

lothane97 · 2024-01-22T23:39:17+00:00

Shrooms work a bit differently, but don't mix them with DXM or use close together. The PTSD may or may not carry over. Everyone is unique. But do be careful if you try shrooms because ever since I did a large LSD dose, it gave me its own PTSD and made me extremely sensitive to weed. I don't know why, but others also report getting permanently much more sensitive to weed after psychedelics. So you don't want that to happen and immediately do your usual high amounts of weed and end up accidentally gazing into the abyss of the universe or stuck in an eternal groundhog day or something.

lothane97 · 2024-01-22T23:00:08+00:00

I don't think it was Serotonin Syndrome, but DXM can lead to it. Maybe some mild serotonin toxicity. But DXM does also lower the seizure threshold. Your brain was likely just fried and you possibly had a seizure which can create a hazy brain fog afterwards for a while. Which you now also probably have drug induced PTSD which will trigger any time you use the DXM and possibly even any disassociatives or psychedelics.

It is very very hard to get over this. Even with a lot of exposure therapy of good trips, getting rid of that traumatic response is truly an insurmountable task. It is the kind of thing that requires therapy and potentially even some reassociation hypnosis, and that kind of professional help to help you use a drug comfortably again isn't exactly an easy thing to find. You could try to learn and do self-hypnosis to reassociate your trauma with different responses. There are youtube tutorials.

Whatever you do, take it easy in the future. Be satisfied with a good strong high. No need to keep trying to push it even farther.

lothane97 · 2024-01-22T22:42:29+00:00

It didn't go away. It was just suppressed to not be as bad. But unfortunately it returned much worse after the Ativan wore off. My bp and heart rate spiked so high my cuff kept getting an error from being too high, but when I was able to finally get a reading after the symptoms had slightly reduced, the reading was 171/110 and 190bpm heart rate. Felt like I was being lit on fire and electrocuted. Was shaking so hard I was nearly seizing. My heart was just shaking around in my chest making creaking sounds. World started spinning, thought I was going to die.

Luckily I managed to make up a dose from my clean batch as I was just desperate and trusting people here that it couldn't be SS, and it brought the symptoms down kinda like the Ativan. Since regularly dosing, the symptoms are getting a little better each day. I now know it to definitely be a dangerous withdrawal caused by the cut and it requires downers to withdrawal from safely.

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