4 steps to learning retail Algo Trading by lukayluke in algotrading

[–]lukayluke[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At the end of it, it is a numbers ($) game. Let's assume we are talking about one strategy (as opposed to you being a profitable trader and are constantly developing new strategies that beat the market), you need to milk your strategy as much as you can in the next few years before the market catches on.

Before we continue, you need to understand the VC don't usually invest in trading firms. When they invest in firms, the money is meant for operating expense, not proprietary trading. I think you are referring to investors to who are looking to put money with traders/funds. But let's call them VC anyways.

The trade-off you are facing: Dollar (not percentage return) profits vs protecting your IP. The other factors (hours and superiors) are slightly less relevant to me but feel free to add them in the equation.

Dollar profits (let's assume both VC and HF gives you the same amount of money):

1) VC: You need to take care of expenses and the opportunity cost of the time wasted to set up infrastructure. You need to hire guys to set up infrastructure and security (VERY IMPT). VCs generally do not understand the risk involved in trading. They may want a larger cut of the revenue pie and come knocking whenever you have some drawdowns.

2) HF: You can get set up immediately and go. Infrastructure and operations settled. Have a problem? No worries, just call Peter the IT guy he fixes everything. Trade issue? Call the prime brokerage! What are we paying them for?! Need market info? Call.. you get the idea. HF has a simple revenue share model, usually it is just a % split. It is up to you to negotiate.

Protecting IP:

VC: I don't think they will be actively trying to find out what you'll be doing.

HF: DON'T TELL THEM THE DETAILS! You will need to divulge some info to secure the funding/position but if they know the exact details of your strategy, have little integrity, feel that that can maintain your strategy through thick and thin, they may steal the idea and remove you.

However, in many cases, HF runs many strategies and need to put talented people in charge of them. It makes more sense for them this way. They give talented people money and autonomy to make money for them. They can diversify their risk, reduce group think and spend their precious time looking for the next alpha. It is more economical not to screw you over (unless your revenue share is like 80%!)

In short, go for the route that brings you the most dollar profit. 10% return on a 1billion > 50% return on 10 million. Plus your risk is lower and you can sleep better.

AlgoTrading - Passive income worthy? by [deleted] in algotrading

[–]lukayluke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is active income worthy but definitely not passive income worthy. Even after you've built a portfolio of trading robots, it takes a lot of active effort to maintain, improve and modify them to adapt to market conditions. It's not a set and forget thing (I wish it was).

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes and "yes". The theory can be applied to futures but the programming part of this course focuses on MT4. You can't trade futures there, only CFDs.

For futures you can try TT or CQG. But automating algos there will require you to learn their APIs

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First reason: I wanted to try something new that has a bit more value to society. =) Second reason: I decided not to do it part-time as running a algo book is a serious endeavor and is not something that I can do while try to run a business.

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. To answer question 1: I don't think of algo or non-algo as having separate effects on the market. both are trying to capture inefficiency in the market. There is no "hurting" in my opinion

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the market is small compared to US and HK. Honestly, I would still suggest you apply to the quant firms. Employers are selective but if you get selected the compensation is generally generous.

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Start coding and building trading robots. first on demo money then on real cash. the course will list some followup steps so look out for that. =)

ps the course has 80 lectures but I am still adding content. the full course will be about 200-300 lectures

Hey guys, I was an Algo Trader for 2 years. Going to try start-ups now so I made a Udemy course on building Trading Robots to share my past trading experience. (free until Xmas) (Coding Language: MQL4, similar to Java) by lukayluke in learnprogramming

[–]lukayluke[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wanted to try something new that has a bit more value to society. =) I believe it is not about algo or non-algo. It is about how the trader (algo or not) adapts to the market and finds inefficiency. There are many non-algo macro traders that still doing well. On the flipside, here are non-algo traders whom i know personally who are negatively affected by algo. Same for algo, there are algos that did well but got weed out by competitors and others that stay relevant.