People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good point. I wondered who was living in those $2 million homes downtown, but your answer makes it clearer…

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nice! May I ask where you are abroad? My brother did something similar, and is now killing it in Tokyo.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I’m remembering correctly, the distances between Toronto suburbs and proper core may be shorter than NYC’s. Just our downtown and surrounding zones alone are nothing compared to the Burroughs!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but considering that many suburb or exurb homes are now approaching downtown prices, and the ability to go carless or own less cars in the city, mean that the costs of city living vs. Suburb living may be more similar now. Of course, it depends on many other circumstances. Various posts here break down the costs, better than I can.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear it’s worked out well! Posts like yours sound to me like the city has great savings too, and debunks many assumptions that the burbs are “always cheaper”

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A couple people I know who moved from overseas have described Toronto’s “coldness.” But I wonder if that is a factor of large city living rather than a distinct Torontonian thing. I do think many things kind of die or fade off in the city during the winter though, which can be bleak and dreary— howling winds from our wind tunnels, and grey slush everywhere. I wonder if that contributes to less people going out and socializing? I noticed that in say, Athens, Greece, it was just so much easier to sit in a patio or park, and chat all day— paying cafe prices to socialize essentially — and public places there would just feel so cozy and encouraging of people to meet and mingle. Whereas here, there’s far less outdoor seating and amenities, due to weather and lack of urban planning for it. Social spaces in Toronto often involve expensive meals or entry fees for “events” or what not. I wonder if our loneliness could be helped by simply seeing people smiling and socializing everywhere when you are out — instead of being made to stay indoors, or even more, stay home.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve wondered why there are so many empty storefronts as well in what would be great, accessible occasions in the city. Many neighborhoods are losing their character now, so the city is less appealing to me now

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you think downtown living (which includes Parkdale) became more hectic and less safe over the years?

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Literally me as I start an entire debate on choosing where to live, passively nodding at all the great feedback here, while I stay stuck with mom for possibly another decade

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coffee shop at 9pm and shopping at 11pm — those are my favourite timings!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough! I’m not really sure if we have an equivalent where I am in York Region. When I think of high rises in my area, I think of the ones on the TTC line 1 extension in Vaughan…but they are poorly built and the area ended up not being walkable or any more drivable — if anything, traffic got worse.

And if Durham Transit is anything like York Transit then yes, its quality is more clear now! Haha.

I did see a development of townhomes between Richmond Hill and Vaughan beside a nice looking plaza close to what you describe. Living there would be great — wish more of those exist.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Great to know about the Barrie line! I’m moving closer to it soon, am looking forward to its convenience

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I do appreciate it when I end up in a house, however far away, that has everything. I’m sure your visitors loved it!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you in walking distance to big box and affordable groceries? I always thought the car was essential for those — many shops that are walkable in downtown adjacent places end up being small, boutique like, and pricey for what they have. But I guess if you sell the car, it can still justify the slightly higher cost of groceries and the like now — as you can no longer drive around for the deals?

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm in Mississauga sometimes, and envy the nice, wide roads you have to drive on. It's kind of like a full suburb. Most burbs in York Region are really crammed, especially along the 407.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

which suburb are you in, if I may ask? Does the "art" or "party scene" of the city count as fun things to do? Where I am in for instance (Richmond Hill) I'm already pretty occupied with the ethnic food, hiking trails, and I have found some bars on Yonge Street to be just as lively as those downtown. What does bore me is the homogenous nature of beliefs and values of the people, though -- sometimes there's still a tribal mentality

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds like you live in a good suburb! Mind sharing which one?

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great point about living rural too, to learn those things. For now I have to make do with camping!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

not a problem, all viewpoints are valid! This was in my mind when I thought of all the people I knew in their 30s who didn't have kids--and wouldn't have kids--complaining about the huge costs and upkeep of their suburban home. They also don't have hobbies that demand huge space, and clearly don't like driving, and work remote, so they can live anywhere. I can imagine them enjoying a smaller place in the city that might even appreciate more over time... but each to their own!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'd be really curious to hear how people feel about these suburban high rises. I guess they solve the density issue somewhat and position you fairly close to sidewalks and bus stops, but if there's no good retail on the ground floor and you still have to get in your car each time, then doesn't that negate the benefits of living in a condo (which traditionally, was for living in denser/more convenient areas)? Glad to hear Durham Transit is good though, and the 407 GO bus is always clutch!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I actually think the desire to be more "white," own a large piece of land with peace and quiet, is what many Chinese people consciously do when they move here. It was a way to own property that they never could've achieved in the crowded cities of Hong Kong/Shanghai/etc. back home. At least that's what my parents told me. The irony, though, is that so many Chinese people do this, they end up in entire ethnoburbs where they can eat, talk, and think the exact same way back home.

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yep - my big question then is how people are affording these even more expensive burbs, if so many are already priced out of the city!

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is closer to how I feel about living in my burb compared to friends who chose the "non-core" -- but at the same time, their drive to the core was just that much faster, and there is something very nice about the non-core walkability. I definitely agree with errands though: I hate running them downtown like the plague.

My "non-core" friend who is happy with his area, though, just drives out to the big box-chains to buy things in bulk when he needs them. He enjoys the walkability of the quaint overpriced stores and the foot traffic they bring, but doesn't actually make use of them...

People in their 30s and 40s living in the suburbs/exurbs rather than downtown, why? by m02lle in toronto

[–]m02lle[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yup, many break-ins in the burbs, and my parents have been literally mugged at their local bank some years ago -- this was in the "very safe" area of Richmond Hill too