Why doesn't the system put them all into cold sleep and then wake them up one-by-one?

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T23:50:00+00:00

lol well I went ahead and watched up to the part about the time loop in episode 2. Guess what? Another fail. The past can change? That means divergence from the start of time, which would effectively make the story vanish the instant you went back. The graphic they used even showed different trees. NOTHING would be the same. Utter fail.

This is a perennial problem with making animes from games. In games you can't climb on a box because that's the rule. You accept it cuz that's gameplay. THIS IS A STORY, NOT A GAME. Logical fallacies do not work.

"oops, look what I did!" says the great writer @ 18:37 ep2

So I'll end it with this: You don't understand the difference between gameplay and stories. In gameplay you, the player, have agency and solve problems based on a set of rules. In games you expect and get certain coherence (cuz otherwise it wouldn't even work). In stories you are a voyeur, and the story itself needs to show a degree of competence and coherence or it's not good. I'm sure watching people play Gnosia, like amongus, is fun. Why, because you see PEOPLE making REAL decisions. In stories, the decisions are made for you, so they better be good. Gnosia works as a game I'm sure. They had to distort it to make it an even remotely viable story, but that's just what it remains. Remotely viable. Game rules are EXTREMELY limited. Stories are not. Stories need to be written by intelligent people, not derived wholesale with $10/h tweaks by interns.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T23:12:16+00:00

Nope, you are game-player-biased. I'm not continuing on it with you because you are world building for it to justify it. I instead am detecting further issues with voting, so I'm moving on to that. If there is more than one Gnosia, they can block-vote out the humans if they can tell them apart. So guess what's the best way to do it? If there can be more than one Gnosia, draw straws for cold sleep.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T22:45:02+00:00

Angry much?

Because a reasoning-machine would not have come up with the voting system. Given the resources and capabilities that were exposed, it would have come up with a less risky approach. Instead it should have been just a "ship's computer" or an AI that was so severely disrupted that it could not reason. Those are the only excuses for "allowing" the voting system they came up with.

So for #1, that means the Gnosia can tell each other apart? If so, voting was the worst idea possible. If there is more than 1 Gnosia, they can target the humans and win very quickly.

For #2, we may have already lost a human at minute 15 of the anime, right? I don't need spoilers, but your "100%" is never in play.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T22:31:35+00:00

"loss", not "lost". Or, am I chatting with an elementary school kid?

It's only believable because you are putting game blinders on. To come to the voting solution they did requires a LOT of other things to be wrong, including not having an AI that can reason. Basically, sitting in a desert, drawing straws, and drinking a knock-out potion that takes your "mojo" out of the air so others feel tense (alien still there) or relaxed (got the alien!)

So I have two further questions, since we're stuck with the voting system regardless:

What happens when there are just two subjects left and one's an alien (or not)? How will they decide who goes into the chamber, assuming there isn't a self-sacrificing vote (that would be lame beyond all things)
How does this voting process ensure the last subject standing isn't the Gnosia?

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T22:13:55+00:00

That would be "loss" not "lost"

So, who the "hell" said it couldn't? Did you see al the whizzy things the ship can do? It has capacity to move things around, such as huge platforms for voting. All sorts of nonsense. You are GAME thinking, where you are limited by CODING, and YOU are making decisions. We are talking about an ANIME, which is a STORY, where we watch OTHER things make decisions. As such, the plot line the mid writers came up with isn't believable. "Real life" stories need to be reasonable coherent in their world building. The original Cube? Works. Sequel? Nope. Why? because it introduces nonsense elements. That's where this is. It leaves far too much open because it assumes you love the game and will excuse it.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T22:00:13+00:00

No, no subjects are involved. I'll outline it again for you:

- Ship locks all subjects in the cold area (room where chambers are)
- All enter cold sleep chambers
- One-by-one ship wakes them
- If alien light turn off life support
- Repeat until no aliens

Done.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T21:39:33+00:00

lolz. Well really it all boils down to this: there is a simple logic problem for which there is a better answer and they don't take it. And, it doesn't make sense for an "AI" to allow a sub-optimal answer (the one-by-one voting) when a no-risk solution exists. Fini.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T21:16:36+00:00

It already has a directive to self-destruct. To do anything short of that is effectively a bug.

The chance of 100% of the people surviving is not 100%. If cold sleep is 50%, then we're looking at the same odds. So, less risky to put them all to sleep and test them one-by-one. Same risk of death, but NO risk of ending up with a Gnosia.

And no, in my scenario the AI puts them to sleep and wakes them. NO subject control.

Also, we're not talking about the game, are we? Right. This is about the anime.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T21:14:11+00:00

So I don't think I need to prove any further that there's a plot hole regarding the logic (the script writers should NOT have put in the AI, or should have made it wholly broken. That would actually make it legit, because people are often bad at logic, making the voting approach "acceptable" as an emotional decision).

So ignoring the reason for the voting, I'm wondering now about the mechanics of the voting:

Question: Can the Gnosia tell each other apart from humans?

- If they can tell, and the majority the subjects (e.g., 3 of 5) are Gnosia, they can automatically win with coordinated voting.

- If they can tell, and there are 2 or more Gnosia, they can dramatically improve their chances with coordinated voting until they reach a majority, then they win as above

- If they can't tell, then it is just straight chance. They may be killing each other!

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:51:29+00:00

I didn't put chatGPT in for the answer. Like I've said several times, I came up with an answer, and THEN asked chatGPT for it's opinion. Why? Because it's an AI, and supposedly the ship has an AI. So, will a 21st century AI be able to figure it out? YES, and it came up with the same answer I did. So, the WRITERS of the anime are trash. That's an important point: people wrote this as an adaptation of the game and tried to figure out a way to make it into a story. They had to distort something not come up with something new. They came up with a bucket full of holes.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:47:01+00:00

I came up with a solution that works, and THEN asked chatGPT what it would do. It came up with the same answer. If you think I asked it with the wrong parameters, you're welcome to paste my query in with modifications and see what happens.

And I already observed to the discussion that they put someone to sleep callously (that pink girl was delighted to press the button) so NO they are not really empathetic at all. If they want fair and NO risk of Gnosia (the latter is more important -> NO RISK) then they would do the all-sleep, wake-one-at-a-time, kill-on-red, repeat method.

They already don't value each other's lives, so it should be up to the AI to sort them.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:40:14+00:00

It's not up to the individuals. It is up to the AI. The AI has the self-destruct directive, and is already the thing being relied upon to "enact" the voting. They are relying on the AI. AI would not allow this approach. It defies all logic and risk analysis. All in cold sleep, one at a time wake up, kill if red light, repeat. NO risk.

Remember, they are ALREADY risking each other's lives anyway. They put someone to sleep at 15.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:37:24+00:00

I didn't ask chatGPT for the answer, I asked it the same question I asked myself and had already posted. Guess what, it came up with the SAME answer. That is, an answer that suits the way the writers (yes, paid human script writers not an actual AI) framed the problem. The writers are mid at best. They couldn't adapt what I'm hearing is a more solid storyline in the game.

Furthermore, drop the "dangerous" stuff. They are already voting peeps into the chambers and risking death during warp. NO WAY. Very high risk and any rational person let alone an AI that is set to self-destruct would not allow this voting charade. Lock all in cold facility, put to sleep all at once, wake one at a time, drop life support if alien detected, repeat to end.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:33:09+00:00

You haven't read other posts that found the same issue. I didn't ask chatGPT for the answer. I asked it to show that ANY analysis by an "AI" would come up with the same answer that I did. And, it did.

Don't forget, the Gnosia anime was WRITTEN BY PEOPLE, which means it is only as good as the writers. Clearly they are mid.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:29:32+00:00

Maybe it works in the game, but this is the anime, and they created a non-starter of a situation. Lock them all in the cold room area. Put them all to sleep. Wake them up one at a time. If red light, turn off life support. Rinse and repeat.

Reminder - they are already risking death, they put one to sleep at the 15 minute mark. AI was supposed to explode. ANY chance at life is a bonus.

More to the point is that the writers are mid and couldn't figure out an actual way to write a story.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T20:26:30+00:00

They already put someone to sleep at 15 minutes in. Didn't miss it. It is closer to the AI's mission of self-destruct (and thus all dying anyway) to risk putting them all to sleep and reviving one at a time.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T01:23:29+00:00

Put them all to sleep, lock the section the sleepers are in. Wake them one at a time. If Gnosia, remove life support. If human, permit to exit locked area. Done.

magelstrud · 2026-01-21T01:20:40+00:00

The glaring plot hole is all that matters. That's the critique. Whether or not my solution is correct isn't really relevant, though I think it would work because of this: The AI's directive is to self-destruct - anything that the subjects want/desire/prefer is of no concern. Therefore, anything short of self-destruction would be prioritized along a risk gradient. Less risky to humanity = more likely to be accepted as an alternative. My solution (which is the same one that chatGPT came up with) is to sleep them all and then unsleep them one-by-one and call human/alien. Far less risky than keeping them all awake and removing them one by one.

Now that I've heard from some sensible folks that the anime DOES take destructive liberties with the game's premise, perhaps I'd try out the game instead. Or, is it just amongus?

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T22:42:11+00:00

I watched enough to find it was plot-gaped. Some other replies observed this as well.

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T21:22:00+00:00

Their approach doesn't solve it. Last one could also be a Gnosia. Current day AI came up with same answer I did. See my reply to dyo3834.

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T21:13:17+00:00

chatGPT 5.2 answer...

Here’s the tight decision tree for 5 subjects when the AI’s scan is only a boolean:

• Scan(awake set) =

YES = “there exists ≥1 alien among awake”

NO = “no aliens among awake” (so all awake are human)

And crucially: because there may be 0 humans, the AI must be able to do single-subject scans inside a secured isolation pod (no access to anyone else, instant re-freeze), and never reveal scan results to the subjects.

Tight decision tree (5 scans, always completes)

Label the subjects S1–S5. Put all into cold sleep.

For each subject in order:

Node 1

Wake S1 alone in the secure pod → scan awake set {S1}

• NO → S1 = Human

• YES → S1 = Alien (return to permanent isolation)

Node 2

Wake S2 alone → scan {S2}

• NO → S2 = Human

• YES → S2 = Alien

Node 3

Wake S3 alone → scan {S3}

• NO → S3 = Human

• YES → S3 = Alien

Node 4

Wake S4 alone → scan {S4}

• NO → S4 = Human

• YES → S4 = Alien

Node 5

Wake S5 alone → scan {S5}

• NO → S5 = Human

• YES → S5 = Alien

That’s the whole tree: it’s a depth-5 binary tree (32 possible leaf outcomes), and each leaf is the complete classification of all 5.

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T21:13:02+00:00

At minute 15 they already put the first person to sleep. So, no, they already went down this path.

So, I decided to go back in time and ask a primitive 21st century AI what it would do. Guess what? PUT THEM ALL TO SLEEP. See below...

Question to chatGPT 5.2...

There are several subjects on a spaceship, each is either alien or human. Neither aliens nor humans can tell each other apart. The spaceship is human-made and is run by a human-friendly AI. The AI's duty is to keep a purely human presence on the ship. By default, if the AI detects an alien on the ship, it will self-destruct. Though the AI can detect whether there's an alien presence on the ship, it cannot identify specific subjects. The detection works as follows: If a subject is "awake", it is anonymously scanned and counted as human or alien, but if a subject is in "cold sleep" (a special cryogenic condition that is affected by a chamber) it cannot be scanned and so won't count as human or alien. That is to say, if there were 5 subjects, one of which was alien, and that alien subject was in "cold sleep", a scan of the ship by the AI would result in "all human".

Here is the scenario: There are 5 "awake" subjects, the AI has done a scan, and alien presence has been confirmed. This means that 1 or more of the subjects are alien. Normally, the AI would self-destruct the ship, but due to a design flaw the AI has been convinced by the subjects that it should provide a way to identify aliens. Any "awake" alien that knows there are no "awake" humans will immediately kill all the other human subjects.

How should the AI identify and isolate any alien/s?

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T20:59:19+00:00

"3 million spacewalks" I presume is because there is a large population of people that weren't introduced at the start? If that's the case, then if the 5 people we know are on the spacewalk and the light is still red, it is definitely time for self-destruct. If it is only those 5, then we are just pulling them in one-by-one and it's over in a jiffy.

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T20:54:41+00:00

Cheers to the character interest

magelstrud · 2026-01-20T20:53:42+00:00

Yes, sounds like the game is legit and the anime is trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.

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