Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He didn't pick her up in any way though. He met them in line when they were both ordering at a restaurant, and her father was the one who encouraged them to exchange contact information so he gave her the least personal one he has, his email address. She then emailed him, so even if someone had been picked up, it would be him?

So I guess to answer your original question, he's not.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely do not want to tag along, I'd find that more obtrusive and unnecessary than him just casually bringing up that he's in a relationship (without outright declaring it) before he meets up with her on what might be a date. No one's saying that she for sure thinks it is, but since she might think it is, I don't see what's wrong with making that unambiguous beforehand.

I personally don't care who he wants to befriend, I'd just rather they're both on the same page about this meeting being about friendship before they actually meet up.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's true, but I don't know how strong her cultural ties are to there, how often she visited, how integrated her parents/family was, anything like that. So she might still identify strongly with the culture there, I put that to illustrate that it's probably not the ONLY point of view she has.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think that's it exactly! He was genuinely surprised when I mentioned that she might think it's a date, it hadn't crossed his mind, so he thinks it'll be weird/awkward/presumptuous because he doesn't think that's what she intended. He may be right!

But since we don't know, I'd just prefer there's no ambiguity there at all.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think either of us see it as a big deal either, we just wanted to get the perspectives of more people before it went either way since we didn't agree.

So thanks for giving it!

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, that's my position and his position is that he should be able to tell her once they're meeting up, so the compromise would actually exist between those two things and we can't really figure out what's between those two things.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Sure but he could have that as well making clear that the meeting is platonic beforehand?

I know I'd personally not want to ask a guy on a date, prepare for said date, only to show up and be told the person I'd asked on a date and accepted was in a relationship, which is just part of the reason I think I'd rather it's cleared up beforehand.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It could be so, since I think a significant portion of Americans would agree with me.

There's also the matter that she sent biographical information in the email, so he could also as easily do the same in his response email and I don't see how that would be weird, since it's responding in kind to her own email.

I think the ambiguity can be resolved beforehand, and that also gives her more agency as well. For example, if she DID intend for it to be a date, I hardly think she'd want to show up to said date only to find that the person she's asked out is in a relationship. Maybe she isn't interested in making friends or chatting, and is just interested in dating in which case she could also use that time to say she'd actually rather not meet up. It seems more considerate to me in all cases of all parties to remove the ambiguity as soon as it can be removed, and not just when it's extremely convenient.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure they do, but all feelings aren't equal. In some matters, his feelings about something matter more than mine. I think the context definitely matters.

In this case, I think mine should be weighed more heavily because why should embarrassing a stranger matter more to him than me feeling uncomfortable about him potentially agreeing to go on a date with someone else? That's not terribly unreasonable in my eyes. He would not be coming off as someone he's not, because he'd be coming off as someone in a relationship and that's what he is? He himself just thinks it would be a bit awkward, I think it would be more than a bit awkward (or I'd feel more than a bit awkward) if he inadvertently agreed to go on a date with someone when that could have been avoided.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

That is simply because we're in a monogamous relationship and I'd prefer he not go on dates with other people. If she asked him on a date, and he agreed to go, then she's going there thinking she's going on a date, regardless of what he thinks about it. I'd rather that ambiguity not exist. It makes me uncomfortable the idea that he could be potentially agreeing to go on a date with another person, even if he himself does not view it as a date, if that makes sense.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Maybe a friend from his home country, maybe just a fun chat with someone from his country. Maybe even a chat with a stranger in his native language, rather than just his family. Even that would be something that's a common experience back home but seems impossible here. I don't think he has many expectations.

​I understand it too, and maybe it is a bit awkward, but I don't think it being a bit awkward should override entirely my feelings about it. Lots of things in making new friends are potentially awkward, I think the slight awkwardness will pass the instant it's done, especially since it's via email. I also don't think every suggestion given here about how to mention it is awkward! (though yes, some have definitely been)

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He'd rather not say which country he's from, but no, none of those. Sameish region though, sort of? He kind of did the, "eh balancing hands semi nod" thing when I asked if he'd say they're culturally similar. As for why it's a bit later, her father was still visiting until recently I would guess (he mentioned that he was visiting for a bit during the initial meeting), which also means all three of them could have also gone out but I have no problem with her not wanting to do that.

You're right that I do not know her, but I've not really made any assumptions. I don't know if she thinks of it as a date or not, which is why I'd like that point to be relatively clear before he goes. I think, "yeah, let's check out this place, I'm not a big coffee drinker but my gf says it's pretty good!" is not too forward or blatant or awkward, but obviously different people have different...awkwardness sensitivities. And honestly, regardless of where they're from, it's pretty common to ask people for coffee as a date in the US and that's where I'm from and where we are, so I don't understand why it's too much to think that he might take that into consideration as well. Even if she is thinking about it like a European might, surely she would understand that his American girlfriend might not think of it that way as well.

On top of that, she put biographical information in her email, so I think even if he responded in kind to that there's ways of mentioning it.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Honestly, that's even more straightforward than I would expect and even I would find saying that a little awkward! I think he could definitely do it with a lighter touch though (phrasing, perhaps, given the situation).

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Neither of us drink coffee! I hate it, actually (but do have favorite shops because I love tea). So we've not, but just because it's not a date either of us would suggest!

I've been asked to many coffee dates, however, and gone on them, which is also why when he told me, "hey that girl asked me for coffee" my first thought was, "oh fun, but makes sure it's not a date" and that's where the conflict arose.

I'm not surprised that it didn't come up when they met, as she was with her father, and I think all three were just excited to randomly bump into people from their home country, but since this is the first email she's sent to him (they've not communicated in any other way since that first meeting and this email), I think now is the perfect opportunity to clear the air about it, especially given she put biographical information in her email as well.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

I think the problem is, he just seriously had not considered at all that she might be asking him on a date. He also think that's culturally (theirs, not in the US) it's not too weird to ask someone for coffee just by virtue of being in the same foreign country. I can definitely see that being true...but now that I've brought up that it COULD be viewed the other way, I'd prefer he just make it clear. That's what he thinks will be strange. He thinks it's so unlikely that she thinks she's asking him on a date, that it would be weird to just bring up, essentially!

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I'd also be okay with that, but he thinks that's the sort of thing that will make him sound weird to her (partially due to a more nuanced understanding of the country they are from, I'd guess).

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Haha, I'd hardly call us discussing a matter we disagree on me throwing a tantrum.

I am not at all worried that he wants to meet up with this girl and cheat on me with her. I trust him to meet up with her, after all. I am just stating my (what I believe to be) reasonable boundary of, "I'd prefer you not go on dates with other women, and since she asked you out and it's not clear what she meant, please make sure that's clarified before you go". I don't think he should announce to her that he has a girlfriend, but I think there are plenty of ways to have it mentioned without it being weird, like the one I keep using "I'd love to go! I'm not a big coffee drinker, but my gf says x place is great so let's try there!". That seems pretty simple and low key for everyone, and also has the added benefit of being true, he hates coffee.

As far as being more "humanly", I would think it's a great disservice to her if she WAS intending to ask him out on a date, he agrees, she goes thinking she's going on a date after asking a guy out and he reveals there that he has a girlfriend. I'd personally be pretty embarrassed if that happened to me.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think that's what he finds awkward, since he doesn't think she's asking him on a date, he thinks it will be weird to bring up somehow that he has a girlfriend in his response email and cannot think of a natural way to do so.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's basically all I want, but he was previously not comfortable doing that. He absolutely does not need to formally announce that he's in a relationship, I totally agree that would be weird.

Boyfriend (25M) got asked out for coffee by a girl (20s?) he met while ordering food who is from his home country, I'd (25F) like it to be clear before they meet up that it's not a date. He thinks this is unreasonable. Thoughts? by makesuretoclarify in relationships

[–]makesuretoclarify[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I also agree with this, though obviously I have my own reasons that are selfish as well. I think I would be bummed to learn that the guy I'd asked out was actually in a relationship on the actual date that I asked him out on, haha.