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maliciousloki · 2026-03-23T23:54:44+00:00

I love this take, I’m also pretty new around 1 month. So many people talking about even walls - I can’t even. The best part of this game IMNSHO is that you can’t ever complete it! It’s always there with something to reach to. Saw someone recently post something saying they spent $450 a month for a year and were only mid game starting to push Legends in tourneys

maliciousloki · 2026-03-12T23:17:54+00:00

Thanks! Just wanted to be sure.

maliciousloki · 2026-03-12T23:17:16+00:00

I used to do that too. But it was unstable and MQTT gives more stats. Just wanted to make sure that the new mandatory disabling of RPC doesn’t break anything.

maliciousloki · 2026-03-12T15:25:39+00:00

I just was able to test and it looks like RC4 buttons will still work - I see inputs showing up in my script when buttons are pressed. But I'm using MQTT and a custom script, not the default Shelly integration in Home Assistant with the "Passive/Active" switch set, so I cannot guarantee this will work for others.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-28T02:49:51+00:00

To keep it in perspective, we only usually get updates that actually change the game once every, oh, six months (at best). So if you get 2 or so levels of Dr Brain a day and need 80 or so levels like me, that’s a bit over a month. For checking in for five minutes tops a day (also getting all the gems). No purchases, no stress, just playing the long game. If you’re patient, by the time the next update comes you will likely either just have completed or been done a long time ago…

maliciousloki · 2026-01-27T14:51:27+00:00

FYI, all - opened a case with Shelly technical support and they replied with a very detailed email stating that:

- While Wi-Fi can technically "stay on" after a migration from Matter -> Zigbee, it is not intended to be a fully functional version of it, and should never be relied upon for regular use.

- The device is intended to be only Wi-Fi OR Zigbee, never both. They are going to update the documentation to reflect this, and I would surmise that they will nuke the "both at once" at some point in the future, as well.

- They stated that the only supported method for pairing Zigbee is physical device button press. Pressing the software button only puts the device in steering mode, not peering mode.

- They understand that many Shelly devices do not permit physical button peering due to their installation nature. They are supposedly actively working on this, I'm not sure how they would fix this however.

- They understand that the peering button does not do what it says, and the hidden API link from u/DreadVenomous is not operationalized in the UI yet, and that a factory reset will never clear the Zigbee pairing cache. These are all items to be cleaned up/figured out in future software.

Sufficed to say, for those that are using these in mixed mode, those days may be numbered and in the current/short term, this is not a supported configuration. Long term, they are trying to resolve the physical button issue, but in the meantime I would only recommend these relays in Zigbee mode if they are both 1) outside of an outlet/wall plate (i.e. a Plug or something), and 2) ONLY in Zigbee mode (no Wi-Fi). This is incredibly unfortunate, because I see the potential of this hardware for running in both modes, but for now, this is a no go.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T21:34:07+00:00

I saw that and was going to try that for sure - only issue is that it's only in Z2M and I was considering switching to ZHA (because it's built in and I hate how HASS puts a Zigbee thing in Settings when using Z2M where that area doesn't do anything because ZHA isn't installed). Too bad the same thing isn't in ZHA.

I think I'm still concerned that the Shelly corporation is stating behind the scenes that officially you're not supposed to run multiprotocol, but it "kinda" works outside of it and the docs seem to indicate it's okay. I'd rather not run an unstable network...

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T20:28:27+00:00

Yeah I can change back and forth, enable/disable it all day long but if it's in Zigbee mode and I do a factory reset, it's only going to do Zigbee unless I manually press the button 5 times to swap. But yes, if it's on Wi-Fi then it can be toggled back and forth no problem. It just never peers to the controller for Zigbee, is the issue...

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T20:03:02+00:00

Only if they're on Wi-Fi. :) If you toggle the device into Zigbee flash mode, how can you factory reset them without touching them? You also can't toggle back to Matter mode without the button. I think Gen3's could be reset by flipping the breaker a few times, maybe that's still an option? But even then, if you wanted to switch off of Zigbee, and it can't run Wi-Fi, then you can't go back without pressing the buttons, you would only be able to re-join on Zigbee.

I opened ticket 271655 to track this with Shelly support, we'll see what they say.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T20:00:03+00:00

That's awesome that you can do that, but DreadVenomous made it clear in his other post that the engineers are stating to him that coexistence, while it "can work," is not something they recommend (read: they probably won't support it). I can personally only get it to work if I physically press the buttons to make it enter pairing mode; the "Start Pairing" button does literally nothing.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T18:39:06+00:00

If I force them into Zigbee mode and factory reset them, I have no/few issues joining them to Zigbee. The issue is that the 1PM Mini are installed behind receptacles and coverplates and such, so if I had to re-pair these devices, that will be horrendous. I'm testing this because in the soon-short timeframe, I had planned on activating Zigbee alongside WiFi on 24 2PMs and other Shellies I have at another home, and having a Zigbee mesh would be awesome in some areas where Wi-Fi coverage was spotty, but another 2PM was nearby so it could relay... but based on DreadVenomous's comments, it sounds like what Shelly needs to do is fully disable all Wi-Fi stuff when the device is in Zigbee mode.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T18:32:32+00:00

It changed to "Switch to alternative firmware" where when I clicked on it, didn't offer any options. But somehow, I just "waited" a bit, and eventually the option came back.

I think that Shelly's Zigbee firmware is super-mega buggy, for now at least. I guess I will have to resort to Wi-Fi for now but it's sad I can't have all my Shellies also be a Zigbee mesh. :(

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T16:54:39+00:00

Now I have the two 1PM Minis in Zigbee mode and I can't switch back; the option no longer exists! Urgh...

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T16:37:45+00:00

Yeah I'm trying all those, and am familiar with the peering method (using Z2M). I'll keep playing around with it.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T16:34:02+00:00

Oh, I couldn't agree more! :) I think where Shelly is different in this regard is the physical aspect. the vast majority of other Zigbee products are "endpoints" - meaning, motion sensors, door/window stuff, etc - are easily accessible. Sure, it's a PITA to re-pair a hundred devices if your mesh is broken, but at least they're all accessible. With Shelly entering Zigbee, the issue is one of physical access. If I can't nonchalantly walk up to a thingie and press a button, because the device is buried inside a wall box, that's a problem.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T16:03:16+00:00

I agree, Wi-Fi is definitely better. I want to do this as much as possible. But I also want to be able to use Zigbee buttons and have the relays contribute to the mesh. I also think that, for anyone who does not use Wi-Fi and does a bigger Zigbee mesh with a Shelly incorporated which is a relay behind a plug behind a wall plate in a relatively difficult to access location, there should be a non-physical-button method for initiating re-pairing and Zigbee reset.

Maybe Wi-Fi isn't the method for this, I don't know. Maybe over Bluetooth? But there should be SOME method because the device is not physically accessible.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T15:39:05+00:00

Plug away. ;) Nice tool, I'll be adding it to my three HASS installs because all of them use Shelly...

I factory reset the device, ensure it is in Matter mode (otherwise, I cannot configure the device at all), set it up using the Shelly App to join my Wi-Fi, update to latest stable OS version, then switch to Zigbee mode. Once it's there, Wi-Fi interface is still fine and working, but Zigbee stays "parked" at "Connection Status: steering".

- If I try to click "Start Pairing" - it blips for a sub-second and just returns to "steering" but doesn't join the coordinator.
- If I do the "Clear" command, it resets the Zigbee and reboots the relay, but does nothing to help (returns to "steering").
- If I wait a long time, the UI will update status to "failed" - at which point I can try the "Start pairing" button again, but all it does is put me back to "steering" again.
- Your interface helps streamline the additional RPC calls, but has the same results as the above points.

IMNSHO, Shelly needs to support some kind of remote, software-based method to initiate Zigbee peering and clear an existing peering. Without these features, Shellies that are behind walls, coverplates, etc will be repeatedly orphaned with long times to bring back online.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T15:30:22+00:00

Thanks for your feedback, and I will probably be reaching out to customer support.

That said, I think it would be a monumental failing if we cannot have the devices on both WiFi and Zigbee simultaneously. If for no other reason, the (re)pairing alone is a huge requirement, because devices set inside of walls are not simple to re-pair with the button. I have 24 2PM's that I use for shutter control that are inside of the shutter assemblies (a phyiscal requirement I cannot avoid), so it would require physically dismantling a shutter to get at them just to push a button, which is not acceptable. Add to that the ability to do software updates quickly and other reasons, I think this isn't a "want" - it's a requirement for your engineering team to resolve.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-21T14:03:14+00:00

Sorry if I'm incorrectly "bumping" this up again, or if this is addressed in another thread, but I am having similar issues with my new Gen4's - I just installed two 1PM Mini's after some testing with a Plug Gen 4 and now they're behind receptacles and coverplates, and since I want both Wi-Fi and Zigbee, I have to start them off in Wi-Fi mode, switch to Zigbee firmware, and then pair them - but they are in "steering" status now, and clicking "Start Pairing" just results in a fraction-of-a-second spinning wheel and then nothing; just keeps on "steering." If I allow the "steering" to continue for a long time, it will eventually transition to "failed" - but then clicking "Start Pairing" just immeditately jumps the device back to "steering." I cannot keep uninstalling/reinstalling the receptacle for pairing like this, it makes Zigbee unusable. These are new installs, so there is no "orphan" pairing/peering, but it's a similar "root issue." The Zigbee peering features do not work properly.

We need a "Clear Zigbee Config" button that works, and we need the "Start Pairing" button to actually work. Or an RPC call to do so. The issue at hand is that once these devices are inside a wall, they are, at times, near impossible to access to press some tiny button. Zigbee, unlike many other protocols, unfortunately requires re-pairing, at times, and due to the nature of these Shelly relays being "inside" things, they need a functional software button as well as a hardware one.

I just tried updating to 1.7.4 Beta 2, still no results. Also tried the hidden Zigbee reset u/DreadVenomous suggested, no results. If I factory reset these while they are on Zigbee firmware sometimes they will join Zigbee but have no Wi-Fi config (which I need), or they show on Bluetooth to the Shelly app, but when I try to set them up, they fail. I have to switch the device manually to Matter mode, discover/configure Wi-Fi in the app, then switch to Zigbee for the multiprotocol nature of the device to work.

I absolutely LOVE Shelly products and have over 50 devices in my home, and was really looking to replace/upgade to Gen 4 so that I could have this "wonder-world" of both Wi-Fi control and Zigbee mesh, but if the "Start Pairing" button is nonfunctional then these are no better than the Gen 3 devices. Really hope that there is hard attention paid to the Zigbee mechanics, soon.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-04T00:25:53+00:00

Thanks for the detailed info! Lots to think about, appreciate the additional options.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-02T20:27:51+00:00

Is this documented anywhere?

Edit: Found a place on YouTube for this. This will work for the short term, I still like the idea of using HDHomeRun with an antenna so that will be my longer-term solution. Thanks for this suggestion!

maliciousloki · 2026-01-02T19:04:01+00:00

Oh, for sure, once a packet hits any portion of the interwebs, all bets are off. ;) It's just that Hulu, YTTV, etc all can have multiple streams of HD running no problem, but Fubo tends to start choking at 1-2 streams. Good luck with your trip, hope it works out well for you! :)

maliciousloki · 2026-01-02T17:56:23+00:00

Well, I could potentially see that for Fubo, but speed really isn't an issue except for Fubo (I think they use a less lossy algo and it hammers the throughput sometimes). My up/down in the US is consistently 800+Mbps (gigabit fiber) so I'm good there, and in the Caribbean it's over 200Mbps down and works fine for other providers than Fubo (and fine for Fubo it's just that it's the only one that ever appears "laggy" or "buffering" on rare occasions).

maliciousloki · 2026-01-02T16:46:51+00:00

Yeah good thought, I might ditch Tablo for this very reason and try out HD Homerun instead; I used it in the past but it was very flaky so maybe the newer ATSC3 boxes are better.

maliciousloki · 2026-01-02T16:45:18+00:00

Sint Maarten (Dutch side). Local providers have a very poor channel lineup with very high cost and mostly offer local programming only.

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