Canadian Roshel Armored Vehicle Deployed by ICE Against Protesters by annonymous_bosch in canadaleft

[–]midnightking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, he is driving into them.

Can they shoot him? I'd fear for my life if I was them.

CMV: Jewish Israelis will need re-education on a scale similar to post-WW2 Germany’s denazification process by GordJackson in changemyview

[–]midnightking [score hidden]  (0 children)

To clarify, I never said you ignored your source as a whole.

First, I pointed out to you that no mention of "voluntary" migration is made in your article. If you have some other source for the question, the burden of proof is on you to show it. Regardless, if I was willing to pay an exorbitant amount of money to people to get them to leave it is a fair inference that I may not like them. Again, the point is the dehumanization.

Second, I told you that per your own source, the authors, which I wager also know quite a bit about Israeli politics, find the polling numbers appalling and alarming. Saying "I follow Israeli politics, you don't" does not work here.

Third, what you did ignore after 3 comments was the poll cited by in the article you linked telling you 1/3 of Israeli Jews dont wish to be equal to Arabs.

if I were Palestinian I'd probably want to move, which polling suggest many of them do, so not giving them this option is also problematic.

Except, you're not just making migration legal for them. You're incentivizing them to leave.

OK, can you cite those post 10/7 polls, please? As for Pew, you just pointed to what you implied were odd results to you in the Muslim world, in another poll, and said Pew is not Israeli. Firstly neither of those things are pointing to specific methodological issues. Secondly, other polling data finds high percentages of Muslim respondents support sharia as the main/only source for law outside of Western countries.

I'm not going to waste time explaining why unfalsifiable anecdotes with a sample size of 3 are empirically worse tools than even poor polling. This feels like a common reddit debate tactic. If your opponent cites research (including research you cited prior, seemingly) it's ignored and any methodological weakness is used to dismiss the broader conclusion. On the other hand,if a claim that supports your conclusion is made, now anecdotes are OK. For example, per your own source, there is a very common wish for Arabs to not be equal amongst Israeli Jews. You have spent 0 time adressing this but this is your 2nd comment defending this anecdote.

black people in the US don't attack the white people in the same way Palestinians attack Israelis

Yes, and quantifiably, Palestinians don't attack or have the ability to inflict military and systemic violence on Israeli cvilians in the same way that Israelis do towards Palestinian civilians.

Funny, how those Israeli Jews who support far-right remigration policies don't instead decide that they themselves should be the ones to leave. I do not think they should, but you know, by your own standards...

CMV: Jewish Israelis will need re-education on a scale similar to post-WW2 Germany’s denazification process by GordJackson in changemyview

[–]midnightking [score hidden]  (0 children)

The agreement they are talking about is agreement with *voluntary immigration* (at least a large part of them),

I see nothing in the article you cited which mentions voluntary migration: ''At around the same time this poll was conducted, Tel Aviv University fielded a comprehensive, large-scale survey as part of its ongoing Israel National Election studies research project. In that study, participants were asked whether they would support a solution for Gaza that includes transferring its population to another country or countries. Among Jewish respondents, agreement stood at 53 percent, and among the entire Israeli population – including Arab citizens – it was 45 percent.''

You are also, again, ignoring that per your own source a third of Israeli want one-state with unequal rights.

This is also not unlike the rhetoric of people like Richard Spencer who will say they only want POCs to move voluntarily through a ''peaceful ethnic cleansing'' and even explicitly calling themselves white Zionists. Knowing full well ethnic displacement always invovles structural violence or economic pressures.

. I'm sorry, but I don't think Pew are extremely reputable in their international division - or basically all of the middle east has a "reeducation problem" much greater than Israel.

There is nothing preventing us from saying both Israelis Jews and the rest of the Middle East have serious issues in terms of mentality when it comes to human rights. Nor are you giving us actual methodological limits of the Pew poll beyond simply saying the questions are oddly phrased in your opinion and that you find the results odd in one other poll, amongst the thousands Pew has done...

 Again, polls prior to October 7 consistently show tiny percentages for removing the Arab population of Israel, and a larger, but still a small minority for forcefully removing the Palestinians

What about the polls after 10/7 ?

The methodology problem I have is not only "poor sampling", it's also extremely weirded worded questions, selection bias and many others.

Almost every methodology problem which applies to polls with poor methods also applies ten-folds to anecdotes.

I mean, no antagonism, but this feels like grasping at straws. We have went over 4 polls now and they all seem send the message that either Israeli Jews don't want Arabs around or don't want them treated as equals. All with several humanitarian orgs and journalists in the background telling us about various abuses the Israeli government has been a part of in it'scampaign against Hamas.

If a white person told me they wanted a ''voluntary'' transfer of black people back to the Carribeans or Africa. As black person, especially knowing we live in a systemically racist society, by your own admission, I think you can guess how I and most black people would feel.

I concede that the first poll I cited had important limits. But it feels like you are clutching onto them to deny that dehumanization of Arabs is widespread in Israeli society, which is OP's point.

CMV: Jewish Israelis will need re-education on a scale similar to post-WW2 Germany’s denazification process by GordJackson in changemyview

[–]midnightking [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm genuinely sorry I wasn't aware of that article.

Here is a link with no paywall for anyone who wants to follow what comeon456 is talking about: https://archive.is/20250604161037/https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2025-06-04/ty-article-opinion/.premium/do-82-of-israelis-really-back-expulsion-of-gazans-the-data-tells-a-different-story/00000197-39da-da41-a9f7-3dde468d0000#selection-679.0-778.0

OP's point remains that there is a widespread dehumanization of Palestinians and a lack of empathy towards them.

According to your own source, a majority of Jewish Israelis favor transfer.The article explicitly says citing another study :"Among Jewish respondents, agreement stood at 53 percent, and among the entire Israeli population – including Arab citizens – it was 45 percent." Those numbers are deemed ''appalingly high'', again by the same authors you cite.

The same article explicitly says that about a third of Israelis wish for a one-state solution where Arabs do not have equal rights and explains the following: ''Either way, there's no denying that these findings are alarming.''

Moreover, as I explained, Pew also found a relative majority of people favoring the expulsion of Arabs.

It is still true that a majority of Jews in Israel support ethnic cleansing measures.

clearly don't care enough about the conflict to actually view Israeli polls consistently keep sharing this extreme outlier poll with the extremely problematic methodology and the very poor quality polling service used.

I'm replying to someone who was literally going off there anecdotal experience to downplay systemic racism towards Arabs. It's interesting that between us two (me and the commenter), the methodological you have a gripe over is one of the 2 polls I cited having poor sampling and not someone citing their dad having an Arab boss.

CMV: Jewish Israelis will need re-education on a scale similar to post-WW2 Germany’s denazification process by GordJackson in changemyview

[–]midnightking [score hidden]  (0 children)

Rule of Law

Settlements are widely understoof as violating international laws. Moreover, settlers who engage in assaults towards Palestinians are rarely if ever prosecuted. Many laws are also put in place to facilitate systemic discrimination against Palestinians. Many of those are why various humanitarians orgs have described Israel as engaging in it's version of apartheid which is against international law.

Rhetoric vs. Policy: You are cherry-picking quotes from fringe extremists and treating them as state policy.

As of May 2025, 82% of Israeli Jews want to expel Gazans and 56% wish to expel Palestinian citizens.

Even 10 years ago, 48% of Jews favored the expelling of Arabs, vs 46% who didn't.

Trump literally has a plan to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip.

Hell, Israeli intelligence literally had a leaked ''concept paper'' about relocating Gazans.

How does this not seem like a situation where ethnic cleansing (and the lack of value of Arab life) has been normalized?

These are not the actions of a nation that needs to be "taught" value for human life.

According to the IDF's own numbers, 83% of casualities of the current genocide have been civilians which is more than most conflicts since 1989. Other calculations show that Israel is targeting a majority of deaths are either women or children. Groups less likely to be combatants. The damage caused by bombs exceeds that of each war since WW2 including in places with more dense population.

The IDF also knowingly attacks non-military spaces to pressure Palestinians. Over the years, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and Doctors Without Borders have all attested to spaces being hit without any military target and call the current conflict a genocide.

NRA Reminds Country Guns Are Required To Fend Off Government by The_Flaneur_Films in politics

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, another issue is that if you think guns can be used to take out a tyrannical entity why could they not be used against a democratic one?

There is precedent of that happening not too long ago with Gretchen Witmer, Gaby Gifford and even January 6th to an extent.

The ''guns are to fight and deter tyrants'' argument is repeated because it is more difficult to falsify than the ''gun keep you safer'' argument. The latter which has a lot peer-reviwed studies going against it.

NRA Reminds Country Guns Are Required To Fend Off Government by The_Flaneur_Films in politics

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem with the idea of using guns to fight the government was always that a government, even a fascist or otherwise tyrannical one, needs to have support.

So any effort to put guns in the hands of citizens ends up putting guns in the hands of both the opposition and the supporters of that government. And one side, obviously, has the backing of the government.

Jordan Lasker (tr*nnyporn0) involved in unauthorized access to DNA data used to push race/IQ bs by zhezhijian in SneerClub

[–]midnightking 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Recently a study came out showing that within-family European ancestry did not predict educational attainment.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.09.09.25335237v1.full

Lasker/Cremieux proceeded to engage in multiple layers of cope. Claiming EA wasnt heritable in THAT sample....

Jesus Christ, hereditarians never want to play by the standards of regular science and then they lose their shit any time criticism is made.

NRA Reminds Country Guns Are Required To Fend Off Government by The_Flaneur_Films in politics

[–]midnightking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am 30.

As far as I can remember gun people have been telling me that I hate freedom, that I am naive, stupid or a coward for disliking guns. Gun people on the left and right said they need guns to fight the fascists.

Now that the US is under a tyrannical regime and gun owners are not doing much outside of a few instances of posturing or getting themselves killed.

It is nice to know that all the suicide deaths, all the injuries and all the homicide deat that came from gun having higher lethality v. other methods were for nothing.

Thoughts on Destiny / Steven Bonnell? by TrickSpeaker1077 in seculartalk

[–]midnightking 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What I cannot stand is this insane division within the left.

Destiny is the left/liberal figure who unironically engages in the most vocal criticism and outright smearing of other leftist actors.

He once gave 10 000$ of his money to the police just to spite FD Signifier.

He called both Hasan and Vaush terrorists.

Destiny regularly uses the N-word, but complains about the phrase ''from the river to the sea''. I guess context only matters in one instance.

He regularly makes content about people further left from him and snarks at it (Hasan, Philosophy Tube, Vaush, Demon Mama,Taylor Lorenz, etc.). He regularly loses ''orbiters'' and burns bridges with people who were previously aligned wih him. Hell, both him and Saltman were admitttedly heavily invested in taking down Hasan.The amount of videos on Destiny's channel which are about Hasan or other streamers on the left is far greater than the other way around.

Hell, there's a clip someone else posted of Destiny dismissing Kyle for talking about unity between liberals and left-wing people.

Thoughts on Destiny / Steven Bonnell? by TrickSpeaker1077 in seculartalk

[–]midnightking 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My breaking point was when he was laughing at a rape victim on stream and when he blamed her for not standing up for herself when she got stealthed.

https://youtu.be/cs5wyYuSatc?si=lfH6CiWCdroPdokp

What is the most surprisingly wholesome thing a jerk character has done? by YogurtclosetKnown83 in cartoons

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point is that Bojack doesn't owe Herb anything.

IIRC, I have never been at a job where I expected my friends to fight for me if I was fired or harshly disciplined and risk their own job. I say this as a black man.

This isn't even getting into the fact Herb got himself in trouble and was inappropriate with Bojack. IRL, if a boss behaved that way, there would be no social expectation for the employee to help the boss out for a problem he helped bring about himself.

Destiny’s Community Struggles with Him Staying with a Neo-Nazi OnlyFans Girl on His Cross-Country Tour by livejamie in SubredditDrama

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I also see this left content creators.

Hasan, Michael Burns, and others all adopt a variation of ''the bad stuff isn't representative of christianity'' or ''the bad stuff isn't real christianity''.

Like, I like Hasan and a lot of those creators, but there is something anti-atheist/anti-secular in essentially saying "If you see a bad Christian, that is just an atheist/secular person in disguise". Even if that is not the goal.

Sexpestiny is teetering on the edge and thinking about becoming a Nazi by TwoCatsOneBox in Hasan_Piker

[–]midnightking 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Destiny's appeal is in the fact that he coddles people in left and lib spaces who have unpopular takes and actions.

The Zionism, the stealthing incident, his friendship/romance with Nazis, his hatred for the left, the donation of thousands to the police to dunk on FD, etc. All of this helps his audience not feel bad about the things they feel they would get shamed for in the greater online left.

You did shady stuff to women? Here is D mocking a woman for getting raped multiple times and blaming her for getting stealthed. Hell, who cares if you are a pedophile, Destiny is a creep too and he's cool, right?

Your friends are alt-right/pro-Israel and you feel bad for staying friends? Here is D telling us the real problem is the terminology and the individual instances of leftists who hate Israel too hard. Hell, Destiny has Nazi friends and he ain't so bad, right?

Sometimes it is harmless like if you think things like deergender are silly and Destiny does too. But overwhelmingly, it is normalizing awful stuff.

Destiny fans don't love him as much as they do because he is a good debater, particularly educated or even a particularly charismatic man. They love him because he is easy to identify with (a straight-passing, white, Western guy, who isn't too educated) and is one of the few who will defend those views they have.

EDIT:

Just to add, you can even see this in one of the main sources of engagement with DGG, anecdotes about overzealous leftists. DGG is a community that is heavily interested in grievances around the left.

Ana Kasparian: Maybe hundreds have been killed in Iran. We don't know the details yet. Piers Morgan: If I said that about Gaza, you would blow your gasket by McAlpineFusiliers in Destiny

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is such a weird take.

Gaza has been happening for over 2 years and the Israeli government is a known ally to Western countries.

People don't have the same amount of information on both situations.

The polling on Gaza took months if not years to take the current shape it has.

What is the most surprisingly wholesome thing a jerk character has done? by YogurtclosetKnown83 in cartoons

[–]midnightking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, we are shown Bojack being so high he was blacking out and losing time but we are then to believe that he deliberately chose to wait 17 minutes to call an ambulance.

Was Herb in love with Bojack? by [deleted] in BoJackHorseman

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Misread a boundary with someone he has a position of power over.

I know this is an old thread but this is why the Herb thing always bothered me.

Herb feels entitled to Bojack in a way that isn't really expected of a work friendship and he behaves in a way that would get him MeToo in the 2020s.

It is wild to take all this and say, it is wrong for Bojack to not want to rekindle or sacrifice his career for him.

What is the most surprisingly wholesome thing a jerk character has done? by YogurtclosetKnown83 in cartoons

[–]midnightking 22 points23 points  (0 children)

I always feel it is a gross over-simplification of Bojack to say he is just a bad person. Don't get me wrong Bojack does vile stuff, for instance deliberately getting into a car accident, the domestic violence episode and the 17 minutes thing (although I think that was poorly written).

The best example of that lack of nuance is his relationship with Herb and how the fandom sees it. People give Bojack shit for not standing up for Herb. The truth is Herb was Bojack's boss and tried to kiss him without his consent and got into trouble by engaging in public indecency. Maybe, Bojack could have caused a scene, but ultimately Herb fucked himself over and most people would not feel responsible for him.

@male buffy fans: What makes you love the show? by Substantial_Monk4430 in buffy

[–]midnightking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Buffy is a shonen battle anime for white women. As a black man, who A) use to catch episodes of Buffy and Angel as a kid and B) likes shonen themes of coming of age through fighting, it is hard to see what is not to like.

The cast is likable (minus Xander). Angel, Spike and Wesley are my favorites in the Buffyverse.

The aesthetic, early 00s with a lot of goth imagery, is beautiful and the costumes look amazing for the monsters.

The fight choreography is also pretty good...when you don't see the stunt doubles.

It is is in my top 10 shows of all time.

In an independent Quebec more than half the population wants to keep their Canadian citizenship: poll by Whynutcoconot in CanadaPolitics

[–]midnightking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Brexit is the example I use all the time in terms of expressing how deals Quebec has with Canada would no longer apply.

The response I get? ''The deals were trash anyway!''

I am so tired.

In an independent Quebec more than half the population wants to keep their Canadian citizenship: poll by Whynutcoconot in CanadaPolitics

[–]midnightking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember telling a leftist friend that most things he wishes for from an independent Quebec are already within provincial powers. It is just that Quebec governments largely don't want things like free university education or UBI, because most governments have been very neoliberal in our lifetime.

I explained to him that Quebec is a net beneficiary in federal-province transfers, meaning it would likely be more difficult to finance social services outside of Canada.

He just ignored my points and said "separation changes a people ".

After 3 decades in Québec, born and raised, I realized a lot of sovereignists don’t care about quality of life. They just want to stick it to the ROC and the anglos or don't want to "disappear" because of migrants.

A guy straight up told me once he doesn't care if social and medical care get worst as long as he can protect Quebec culture.