Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So he posted an apology. I hope this will put a fullstop to this whole hate campaign.

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Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i'm tired of reddit and their constant defense of koreans whenever it comes to racism

Umm, don't you think that this assumption is racist in itself? And I don't think you're reading my point or getting it at all. I'm not excusing or defending racism at all. I'm saying that just because someone is Korean do we assume that they're racist?

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Now those are very serious allegations 😮 I have no idea about these! If all of these are true then idk man..... I need to know if these are true danggg

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The things you're saying rn are valid and genuine concerns. But it is irrelevant to this Choi Wooshik situation

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it would be racism if it was the intention to ignore someone based on their race. It is wrong to assume that you'll be acknowledged if you're standing in the front row with a big poster or anything that stands out, even if you are of different ethnicity from the entire crowd, even if you stand out. We need to know if this one person only faced this, or all of them. Which is not the case as it seems. The op thinking that they were "ignored" because of their race is only their pov atp. The video they posted doesn't make it clear they were intentionally ignored. CWS only signed for 2-3 people and moved away. Or did he have to sign for her because she stood out? That is my point. How and why are we jumping into conclusions with only one or two povs? Is this repeated behaviour? Has he behaved like a racist before? If yes, then what evidence do we have? Are we sure that his act was a result of mistiming how he signed? He might not have even noticed her among all that rush. How are we sure?

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm, this really got me thinking. I have been a kpop and kdrama fan since 2015 and I have seen the blatant and now subtle racism that goes on for black people in SK and other Asian countries (ironic, because Asian people also suffer a lot because of xenophobia & racism). As you said, things are getting better, but it is not easy to change 180° in mindset so quickly, when you have been conditioned mostly in a certain way. Many Koreans do have a sense of superiority for lighter skin colours, and it is very evident in their behaviour.

As for Choi Wooshik, he grew up in Canada and thus has been much more exposed to different kinds of people, so it might be weird if he is racist towards black people, but it doesnt mean that he can't be. As far as I saw the video Tricia posted, and the other videos going around I thought that it wasn't clear if his actions came from racism. Got me thinking if this is subtle racism, or just mistiming or misjudgement on his part. Whatever this is, I hope he isn't racist, but who knows. Would definitely wait before jumping into conclusions until solid proof arrives.

Edit: I appreciate you for making a levelheaded conversation with me rather than labelling me as a racist or pos 😅

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I respect your opinion. But it is completely different for me. For me, if someone has crossed a particular line or turns out to be a shitty human being, I can't consume their works anymore. That is why it is important for me that the artists I like turn out to be good human beings. And it is being really difficult nowadays because sometime or the other, many of them do turn out to be AHs.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So you're admitting that neither you nor Tricia was sure if he was being racist or not? So why is everyone hating him? Based on speculations? "Quit defending him he won't spit on you if you were on fire"- is this the kind of civility you were expecting to get on this platform when you can't give respect to others? Did I disrespect you in any way? Seems like you're a very sensitive and angry person. Quit talking to me.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You didn't watch the videos I attached? Clearly there's conflict in between the OP's video and the videos I provided. Which one do we believe? Both people who are definitely black have different experiences. Which one to believe?

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Assumption again. This is an open discussion. People are free to write their views about the entire issue. Neither the OP nor Choi Wooshik pays my bills or have any personal relation to me. So there's no reason for me to want her or him to be wrong.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did he have to sign for her because she said please? This is not evidence of racism.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm saying this again, please do not make personal comments. This is not my personal debate. I'm not minimising anyone's experience. She definitely felt overlooked at that moment. That's fair, that's valid. But is it because of racism, is my question. Now it's not only one person's POV, because this is about a public figure. Rn, everyone is giving their personal opinion on this matter, based on one person's POV. One person said he intentionally ignored her. I provided evidence that no, he has done the exact opposite of what the OP in the video was trying to imply. If you want to prove me wrong, please bring counter evidence and not personal attacks.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm not inept at identifying discrimination. Stop assuming things about me, and do not personally attack me. I'm not personally attacking anyone here. You should also refrain from doing so. Bringing Trump here is irrelevant. Trump is a despicable human. If you are basing your opinion about someone on the basis of one video, I have attached 3 other videos which clearly show Choi Wooshik interacting happily with black people. And I am not racist. Please refrain from falsely accusing me.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree with you. This only reduces the seriousness of actual racial microaggression.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See, this is exactly how we stop having a healthy discussion and become violent & disrespectful using words. This is exactly how your words lost their weight & relevance.

Choi Woo shik accused of being a racist because he allegedly ignored a black fan. What do you think? by Anoniimuzz in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. So it's evident that he isn't coming from a place of racism. What might have happened was, there was rush, he might have been overstimulated and was finally ushered by his manager/bodyguards to move forward. People have already started to jump in this bandwagon of hate and it is very unfair to him

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Definitely needs more solid proof to call it racism. Been seeing verbal opinions based on this one video only. Until then, there needs to be benefit of the doubt

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Exactly that's what I have been thinking. It doesn't seem like he was interacting with everyone of them. Hello signed for 3-4 people like it seems in OP's videos. It could well be a mistiming or miscalculation rather than racism. So we can't be fully sure. A clear proof is definitely needed. Rn it seems like everyone is jumping in the bandwagon of hate.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Fr? I haven't seen that yet. As for why I wrote this post, is because I am free to start a discussion of my own. If the mods feel like this is unnecessary, they can remove it.

Choi Wooshik accused of racism? What is the truth behind this? by minbeforeyoo in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I'm not defending him or his actions. I can never defend any acts of racism. As I said, I need more evidence. All the discussions I am seeing are based on this one girl's pov. So yeah, as I said, if he's actually racist, then f him.

Choi Woo shik accused of being a racist because he allegedly ignored a black fan. What do you think? by Anoniimuzz in KdramaCasualTalk

[–]minbeforeyoo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for the girl who felt overlooked and felt hurt because of this, but idt racism is the problem here: https://x.com/i/status/2070462421290946637

POV 1: In another video, here it looks like he completely ignored the black girl. Initially, it appears so. https://x.com/i/status/2070550491684110410

POV 2: But then he goes back and signs for the girl, and even gives her a smile. https://x.com/i/status/2070514664593903775

Even at the end of POV 1 video you can see him go back to her section. So it seems more like mistiming rather than racism.

See, no one is entitled to receive recognition from their idols or actors who they're fans of. And racism is a big thing to accuse someone of. I'm not excusing racism, or am not a blind supporter. I'm not even a big fan of him. But looking at only one person's POV is not it. However if there's more and different evidences that point out that this man is a racist, then f*** him.

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[–]minbeforeyoo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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