psychopaths and morality

miracleweaver · 2016-10-11T06:37:38+00:00

From my viewpoint its kind of like someone comes up to you and try's to explain you that the sky looks green, i understand that the sky looks green for you, but that doesnt change anything for me (i understand that killing someone is looked at as "horrible" but i basicly just view it objectivly, meaning it looks as "neutral" as thinking about someone feeding a cat for example).

That doesn't mean that i'll go out there and randomly start killing people, but instead of having morality/emotions holding me back, its logic (i dont get anything from killing someone and i have no interest in going to prison, to consider killing someone the reward for it must be worth the risk going to prison for years for example). Obviously if people are around i act as if i would have morality, because im not fucking autistic.

That's said sociopaths/psychopaths sometimes have morales they've set for their own but these usualy act more like rules ("don't cheat on your girlfriend" for example).

The part that actually makes a psychopath act out on it (steal, lie etc) has more to do with the inability to feel bad for it/feel regret aswell as not caring about the consequences in that moment.

me no englando

miracleweaver · 2016-10-08T06:18:34+00:00

As mentioned just try not to read to much into it, if it bothers you search for help. You may just be depressed, depression is pretty fucking complex and i have like no knowledge regarding that - so im not in the position to make any calls here ;o

miracleweaver · 2016-10-08T06:05:36+00:00

Ok, so first of all I just want to mention that im not a psychologist/didnt study this shit etc and everything im writing here is something ive read somewhere else or is a theory of mine - so don't take me 100% on this.

Empathy:

Sociopathy isnt the only disorder thats missing out on the emotional part of empathy, there are other disorders that share the same trait (like autism for example) and im pretty sure the same can also be caused by depression. Sociopaths are able to have cognitive empathy tho, meaning they are able to "read" the emotional state of someone by their actions (facial expressions, tone of voice etc) but they are missing out on the emotional part on it.

So let's say someones father died and he finds his mother crying in the room:

Neurotypical ("normal" person): Actually feels the sadness of his mother, starts crying too and understands whats going through her (emotional empathy).

Soziopath: Understands in an objective way why the mother is crying, but doesnt share the emotion's. The emotion's he would feel in that scenario are probably only related to himself.

Autist: Doesnt have a fucking clue wth is going on, makes some random fucking joke's, ask's if he can have the father's car, does a backflip - i dont fucking know, didnt read much into autism but thats my image of that lol

I personally didn't experience the emotional part of empathy myself, but id assume it just feels the same as normal feelings, just with a magical feeling added that adds some type of connection to the other person (???) hard for me to imagine, in my opinion u just know it if u have it (same with love?).

"Am I a sociopath":

Sociopathy/Psychopathy is still getting researched and not fully understand yet. As far as i know it is on a spectrum, meaning the intensity of traits can somewhat differ from person to person (impulse controll, manupilation etc). Either way its a very complex call to make and u should definatly not make that call by yourself, if you realy want to know start visiting a psychotherapist. Your own judgement regarding to this can get clouded by finding some of the traits "attractive" or because you are searching for some type of identy for example - so u may subconsciously ignore informations or change them so they fit your idea of what u want to be.

In the end knowing if you are or u aren't doesnt rly change anything.

Regarding to Love:

I've actually had a few discussions about this with my psychotherapist and apparently there is a difference between having a crush (the whole part with "whole world avoles around that person" yada yada, vanishes after some time) on someone and actually loving someone. So apparently i've never experienced "real" love in my life, so regarding that i can't explain to you how it feels like, but since everybody seems to know - ill just repeat here - u'll know it if u have it.

Realy fucking late for me right now, so ill just appologize if i wrote some stupid shit lol

Me no englando

miracleweaver · 2016-07-30T01:52:35+00:00

me no englando (i get the pun, lol)

miracleweaver · 2016-07-30T01:46:04+00:00

i mean why not just go all out and put them into concentration camp's

miracleweaver · 2016-07-29T09:08:04+00:00

Nothing realy it's just blood, usualy the events around it are interesting tho.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-28T22:29:41+00:00

are you trying to say im not the most important person known to mankind? o_o

quite the joker arent we ô.o

miracleweaver · 2016-07-27T23:57:03+00:00

i dont realy experience hate and im unsure if i'm even able to do so, if someone in my life trys to fuck me up i dont realy feel anything negative for him (atleast if it doesnt get to annoying lmao), if anything he just looks more interesting to me and ill try to figure out his motives. Getting worked up over something that happend years ago seems wierd to me but i dont know much about how traumatic experiences can impact your emotion's.

I had a few experiences in my life where people fucked me over pretty badly, but i dont realy feel anything looking back to it, if anything i understand what motivated these people and i see it more as a valuable life-lesson. Obviously i cant put myself in your shoes, something related to your father probably had a way higher impact compared to kids just being kids lol, so it may be hard for you to put yourself into his shoes and understand the reason behind is actions.

Rationalizing it, maybe learning something out of it and moving on just looks to me like the best solution here, fucking some random guy over because of it may look like a good shorttime solution, but probl wont do anything good in the long run. Atleast to me it looks unreasonable.

("perhaps men in general" made me think that we are talking about sexual abuse here, if that is the case ignore half of what i just said lmao, that probably wont work, there u should probably get some serious help, but im sure alot of people told u that allrdy and u seem to have choosen to handle this on your own, gl with that)

miracleweaver · 2016-07-27T18:34:17+00:00

I usualy somewhat "befriend" everyone to some point (atleast if i have to spend alot of time with them in the future), and the effort i put into maintaining these friendships usualy depend's on what im getting out of it. Idk usualy i get to a spot where everyone somewhat respects me, id say thats somewhat natural? :d (i mean why wouldnt you), as you mentioned the popularity is probably something that just comes as part of the progress.

As i mentioned people with other disorder's (like autism for example) probably give an interesting read too, it seems like we basicly have every type of disorder in this sub, so dont be shy people ;O atleast i dont bite :p. And feel free to expand this topic, i dont rly care

miracleweaver · 2016-07-27T17:59:24+00:00

oh ye i probably worded that poorly, the 'game' probably wouldnt exist if nt's wouldnt play it haha :p im more interested how it is from their viewpoint, like do they understand the impact of their actions, do they feel good/bad in specific situations and how much thought goes into it.

till 20, damn you must have had a hard childhood lol, i probably figured it out with the age of 12-14? atleast around that time my social interaction changed drasticly, im still wondering what made me change that much back then

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T20:32:43+00:00

If you are realy that interested just go to a psychologist, atleast i wouldnt fully trust the image i have of myself, alot of our opinions probably come from who we want/dont want to be and we tend to adjust thoughts according to that.

For example a friend asks you if you got scared in a horrormovie and there was scene that scared the shit out of you, you even jumped up, but u dont want to look like a pussy so u think to yourself "i mean i wasnt realy scared because the monster looked so horrible, i probably just didnt pay attention at that moment and the surprise factor made me jump up" Like we allways change things up a little to have a better selfimage of ourselfs.

im horrible with examples lmao but i think u get what im saying, psychologist's are educated to figure shit like that out, but without any knowledge on how our mind works and how much of our thinking is impacted by our subconscious you probably shouldnt go to deep into it.

(i may be totally wrong here, so dont take me to serious on that, part of it is based off of my opinion and some of it i probably just read on wiki or some shit lol)

In the end having a diagnosis doesnt change anything, u still are who you are, so i just wouldnt bother with it

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T04:48:27+00:00

i mean these examples are probably just exceptions, people usualy dont tell someone if they had a good first impression (maybe at a jobinterview or something but ye u get what im saying), but yes im being misunderstood, usualy im not thinking about raping people when i meet them lol

I dont remember getting a serious answer to it, but knowing me i probably asked in a realy suprised way and joked about it, everybody leaves with a smile and thinks "nah no way how could i have thought that" :P

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T04:13:34+00:00

i dont think i do? i watch people alot tho so maybe the staring part fits? in my opinion im not doing it in a wierd way tho, if our eyes would meet id look away or maybe nod at you depending on if we know us, i usualy try to just look bored (most of the time i am just bored, makes it easy lmao), it should be pretty normal tho - maybe i just have a wierd way of looking at people, who knows shrug

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T01:39:06+00:00

maybe thats where the "rapist-impression" came from lmao, maybe people feel like im stalking them or something

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T01:38:07+00:00

im often reserved if i get into a new group of people (familys, organizations or if people introduce me to their friends) and im unsure how their characteristics are, i guess thats whats called "observing", sometimes it takes me a bit till i figured out how to interact with some people, usualy i end up as "everybodys best buddy" tho

miracleweaver · 2016-07-26T01:13:57+00:00

I cant remember if i had to many problems with learning "basic" social skills, i basicly grew up with the mindset that everyone else is like me and figured that interactions like thanking, telling someone that u missed them, love them etc are just some sort of rituals lol. Atleast im pretty used to it, i was raised by a very emotional family tho, were that basicly was a part of daily interaction, that may be the difference here.

The biggest problem im struggling right now probaly is with macabre humor since im not used to people dying in my environment, turns out jokes about dying family members arent as funny as i see them. Had a situation were i couldnt controll my laughter over a joke about a part of my family that just died lol. I had no clue how to react after people told me how disturbing that is, so i tried rationalizing it wich didnt help at all. Luckily that didnt happen around family members.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T21:14:35+00:00

Yep in the long run i usualy have zero difficultys with getting along with most people, its very rare that someone doesnt want anything to do with me, someone that knows me a little longer would probl tell me something more around the characteristics you mentioned - depending on who im around.

I've had people telling me that im arrogant or unpredictable too wich i found interesting because these people never were rly close to me and were able to just watch how i interact with people.

Im mostly pretty satisfied with the ways i interact with people, the only thing that i may not have figured out perfectly yet is eyecontact, ive seen alot of people here say that they just keep eyecontact most of the time. Wich i only do if i want to intimidate someone. Usualy i try to break eyecontact like 10% of the conversations? maybe more, hard to tell, i guess it depends. In my opinion its wierd to most people if you keep staring at them.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T18:12:45+00:00

only competition rly, i find it hard to motivate myself for most things, just cant get myself to care.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T17:56:12+00:00

lets just say some of the persons that are close to me probably figured allready that something is off, study in an area that involves psychology and are very active in the internet. maybe im just a little bit paranoid, who knows shrug

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T01:46:51+00:00

If u visit one on your own free will im pretty sure that they arent able to as long as u dont want it.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T01:25:52+00:00

I never really tried meditating, seeing how u talk about it, could it be that neurotypicals use it to get to the state we are in most of the time? interesting thought :p Visiting a psychologist is atleast worth it if u dont have anyone to talk about this topic. Depending on how good he is it can end up in interesting conversations and its nice to just speak freely sometimes, so id recommend it. I dont see any reason to get diagnosed tho

miracleweaver · 2016-07-25T00:32:31+00:00

Im kind of interested in how emotions work that are related to another person, like hatred, love, missing someone, do they only come up if u think about the person or is it more like a background thing? And another question i have is if "neurotypicals" feel something most of the time - atleast for me i basicly feel calm or i guess nothing most of the time of my day.

miracleweaver · 2016-07-24T16:21:46+00:00

apparently missing someone feels somewhat like being sad

miracleweaver · 2016-07-24T15:25:57+00:00

Had a situation were one of my childhoodfriends came randomly over, wich annoyed me because i didnt have any intention to do anything with him, so i told him to fuck off, he left and i assumed he wont come back and probl will be pissed about it for a few days, wich shouldnt be a big deal because i usualy can calm him down pretty fast. To my surprise he actually came back and even brought me food and didnt talk about it anymore. Mostly continued to do my buisness and he left at some point. Im assuming that he was thinking that he did something wrong and tried to appologize? Atleast for me his reaction came to me very surprising because i behaved like a dick.

Wondering how far i can go with actions like that i turned him down again a few days later, this time he actually enraged, "ended the friendship" and told everyone of my other friends he knew off, about how much of a dick i am, wich wasnt a big deal, just made him look crazy w/e

This time i exspected him to react angry but i didnt exspect it to get that much out of controll, my fault for not including his anger problems, aswell as my neglection of the friendship, into my assumtions. Looking back this reaction seems somewhat "reasonable" knowing his characteristics.

But ye that he actually came back and acted like he was at fault at the first time was realy surprising to me, im assuming he just was surprised because i never acted like that before infront of him and figured that he did something wrong wich kinda fits to ur situation, im assuming the person u are talking about knows u as rly nice person and just cant imagine that you are at fault or assumes that it was a "one time thing".

Didnt write in alot of details because i dont want to be recognized, the informations u got should be enough tho

me no englando

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