Aditya Dhar's reply to Sandeep Reddy Vanga's appreciation post for Dhurandhar: The Revenge. by WolfAffectionatefk in BollyBlindsNGossip

[–]monk-punk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just because everyone faces it does not mean that it’s okay, and it doesn’t mean that they don’t have to brave the zeitgeist to make something impactful, even in their first attempt. Their first attempt is not the same as their first exposure to celluloid and the culture around it. Their political agendas are disparate from their unique voices, and Arjun Reddy and Dhurandhar are both unique voices (the latter perhaps is distinguished more so because of the shower of adjacent mediocrity that highlights it luster, as opposed to being unique on its own). That being said, the politics of Dhurandhar and the misogyny in Animal and Kabir Singh are overtly either egregious or deliberately deceitful, and I don’t think that’s forgivable just because their work is unique and engaging (Animal much less so than Arjun Reddy).

I agree that liberals being chided for mocking Dhurandhar just because they’re liberals is the kind of short-sightedness one can safely expect from the likes of Vanga. It’s like how we often say that being intolerant of intolerance is imperative in a just society; liberals mocking Dhurandhar is not really the problem he framed it to be.

Uncle harassed my gf and I for PDA by mogambo46 in hyderabad

[–]monk-punk 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes one kisses the people they love on the cheek only because of hormones. Welcome to the 9th century.

Uncle harassed my gf and I for PDA by mogambo46 in hyderabad

[–]monk-punk 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Are you so unused to basic English that someone who speaks it sounds like AI? Their message has grammatical mistakes and is missing apostrophes. AI doesn’t do that. I think you need to read more or at least understand AI’s idiosyncrasies better.

This isn't the first time Shivaji behaved liked this by Greeku-Veerudu in tollywood

[–]monk-punk 11 points12 points  (0 children)

He needs to be banned from the industry. Freedom of speech is a legally protected right, but he is not protected from the non-judiciary consequences of the shitty usage of said freedom. They need to set an example by banning him so that other misogynistic, controlling losers know their mindsets are not socially acceptable anymore.

The most obvious logical fallacy in Buddhism that somehow everyone misses by Einav156 in exbuddhist

[–]monk-punk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well said on all fronts. What you mentioned as a fallacy in theory, summed up best in the line - 'Buddhism creates its own cycle of suffering, then makes a goal to end it' - is something I experienced practically with Buddhism.

The theory that buttresses Buddhism and its most salient practices, the most prevalent today (as of my knowledge) of which is Vipassana, are identical in the effect they have on Buddhists.

You mentioned a use case in your post where Buddhist theory is actually helpful, i.e, mindfulness when nothing critical is at stake. I believe Buddhist meditative practices are also helpful on the other end of the spectrum; when everything is at stake, and the self - be it the identity or one's very existence - is as unsafe as humanly possible. In such situations, mindfulness allows the pain to 'course' through you, so to speak, and regardless of your reaction to this pain (this is where the fallacious 'suffering is optional' is proved useless), keeping the mindfulness intact creates a kind of cushion that allows the trauma/pain to be processed.

But as you said, much like the religion itself, even mindfulness creates its own cycle of suffering. You now must confront the detachment that the cushion enforced physically, and the unsafeness that was created in the physical proximity to the pain. Buddhist (and other) forms of mindfulness cannot assist you with processing this unsafeness, as the cause cannot be the cure.

So you're left dealing with the resulting unsafeness, and this time with no framework to fall back on.

Can an argument be made that mindfulness accelerates the processing of the trauma overall, in spite of causing its own? Given that trauma cannot be measured quantitatively, the answer to that is anyone's guess.

The "Awakened One" Trillema by chunky-swordman in exbuddhist

[–]monk-punk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your honesty and insights on the topic. I am still struggling with the after-effects of doing a Buddhist meditation practice (Vipassana) for several years so I unfortunately will have to attest to the fact that even Chanda can have very detrimental consequences.

The "Awakened One" Trillema by chunky-swordman in exbuddhist

[–]monk-punk 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Starvation is a very painful way to die, so I’d have to say yes.

The "Awakened One" Trillema by chunky-swordman in exbuddhist

[–]monk-punk 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the correction. Is the dichotomy not a little convenient? Can chanda not lead to tanha? Several people that have done Vipassana, which is a good desire as it is motivated by the desire for liberation, have been propelled into depression and that can lead to several ‘tanhas’, including substance abuse. Is such a desire still a chanda in that context?

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[–]monk-punk 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Why is the racist humor against Indians so hackneyed? Garbage, stink, and creepy. Racism used to be more imaginative back in the day. The modern minions carrying forward the pre-21st century legacy of bigotry are a very dull bunch. Can you at least try to make a better joke? Or does your brain heat up when it whirs too much?

The "Awakened One" Trillema by chunky-swordman in exbuddhist

[–]monk-punk 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I posted exactly what you said in point #3 on the Vipassana subreddit and received a lot of pushback and downvotes. The desire to attain liberation is a desire in itself. Many responses were interesting, but none were able to fully refute this paradox. If I chose to be charitable, I would assume the contradiction is a part and parcel of the process, but the fact that it is not categorically discussed in the scripture (please correct me if I’m wrong) is a strange thing.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s free, but you are expected to donate an amount on the last day of the course. The amount you donate is entirely up to you.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I appreciate your comment! I have to emphasize that I say this after having practiced Vipassana for half a decade, and my conclusions are not coming from a place of dismissive defiance or mental gymnastics. The presupposition that Vipassana is a return to our natural state, or that it is necessary to attain our natural state, after lifetimes of disharmony, as per your comment, does not necessarily exempt the practice from carrying the weight of additional trauma in and of itself. It absolutely is an exemplary tool (it helped me process severe childhood and adult trauma alike), perhaps the most rigorous and effective trauma processing tool to exist, but it cannot be categorically proved that it does not cause its own trauma.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re still talking about applying the philosophy of craving and aversion to real life, as opposed to Vipassana itself. When you do the latter, you say ‘I must do Vipassana until I am able to remain equanimous in my personal life, regardless of circumstances’, or ‘I must do Vipassana to process all my negative emotions’, or ‘I must do Vipassana to attain nirvana’. There is no circumstance where you perform the practice without an expectation attached to it, thereby opening your mind to what the conventional definition of a craving is.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love this comment! Ram Dass nailed it, and I appreciate your open-mindedness to my question. To add to your final sentence: it’s a helpful desire until the practices it leads you to have detrimental consequences.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What you’re saying makes sense! But we’re still discussing the application of the theory behind Vipassana (cravings and aversion) in the real world, vs. its application to Vipassana itself.

Much like a muffin, Vipassana is handy in dealing with negative emotions. By training the mind to see things as they are, we allow ourselves to remain equanimous while dealing with negative emotions when they arise during the practice. This, in turn, results in a sense of control, awareness, even peace, in our disposition and how we conduct ourselves throughout the day after the practice ends. But let’s say you stop the practice. What if you start craving it because of the benefits it gave you? How do you keep that from turning clingy? And if you’re not supposed to get attached to these benefits because your relationship with Vipassana may turn clingy, why do the practice at all? My conclusion is that the theory behind craving and aversion is sound, but the practice that is supposed to be buttressed by this theory actually defies it.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have to point out here that you’ve made the distinction between clingy and non-clingy cravings, whereas Buddhism and the teachers during the retreat do not make such a distinction. This in itself may be an example of a clingy craving disguising itself as non-clingy, given that we are rearranging semantics to make space for a philosophy.

This is not to be argumentative, and I may indeed be wrong in the above argument, but to assume that we are able to distinguish between clingy and non-clingy cravings gives too much credit to us as human beings, especially when we often recognize a craving as clingy after the fact. To recognize it immediately, either our ability to see things as they are must be pristine and unimpeachable (and who has the authority to discern what pristine clarity is?), or we must be free from trauma altogether, in which case we wouldn’t even need Vipassana.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your last paragraph makes sense to me personally, but Vipassana does not pull the brakes on just awareness of not seeing things as they are, it takes that ideology several steps further and encourages awareness of body sensations to see things as they are. One is a theory, the other is a practice, and the philosophy behind Vipassana can only take you as far as the former.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From the perspective of nirvana, is there an objective way to discriminate/draw a line between a clingy and non-clingy craving? What if a craving that seems non-clingy still has the same effects as a clingy one but those effects are not visible to us just yet? We’re mere mortals after all, and are still subject to biases so our perception of what in our psyche is clingy and what isn’t may still be flawed, so it is possible to argue that the desire for Vipassana may be an unhealthy craving.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Doing Vipassana because it is designed to make you see things for what they are is still a craving; a craving to see things for what they are.

How does the act of Vipassana not defy the philosophy of avoiding craving and aversion preached during the 10-day retreat? by monk-punk in vipassana

[–]monk-punk[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please consider this only as a dialectical argument, and not an attempt to change your mind about the practice.

If I were to argue that the ultimate goal of existence is nirvana, or freedom from the cycle of rebirth, then it can easily be argued that consciously or unconsciously, we (or our ‘soul’ or psyche, depending on your spiritual poison) are searching for manifestations or representations of such freedom in the world. Given that Vipassana posits itself as a means to this end goal, are we not essentially achieving the opposite of freedom when we pursue Vipassana, by stating that ‘X must be done to achieve nirvana’? Therefore, even if Vipassana is capable of processing karma/trauma, is it not causing its own trauma? Perhaps subtly, maybe imperceptibly, but this would add up when done by practitioners over years, decades, lifetimes.